My 2004 Fiesta has been a dream.
No trouble at all, apart from an upstream oxy sensor, and a salvaged bottom rad hose.
I can get in my shitty little pride and joy, covered in shit, without a care.
Although the cat has gone on it, but i got it through it's last test by bombing around the test center in a low gear to get the engine nice and hot. Passed.
A new cat is probably as much as the value of the car.
Funnily enough, i used to work for a hotel owner who had both a 2005 Fiesta, AND a Tesla, parked outside the hotel.
True story that.
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No, none of these things are an issue.v12 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 5:44 pmMoving around by chauffeured car in Cambodia is also a nuisance. The driver does have different priorities than I have. Like commission to let you dine at their preferences, etc. Stop, when they want, instead of moving on, etc. Complaining about "no money", etc.ផោមក្លិនស្អុយ wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 3:25 pmI don't actually agree with this.v12 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 2:53 pmYeah, it takes time to become an adult. When I was 25, my spouse and I decided to get rid of the car (I was driving a car since 18) and do without. It failed, quite a lot of nuisances, despite we were living in quite a big town. It just takes time to conclude a lifestyle where you want to accomplish something in life, can not be combined with a mode of not having your own transportation.Spigzy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 12:35 pmSorry should have clarified, "kids" are adults in the UK - neither has a driving license. It isn't the vagaries of ride hailing that confuse me, but the sheer neglect of what I'd call "freedom".
We can both go from London to some remote part of the UK using either ride hailing, or I can take the V8 for a spin - we both get to the same destination; but only one of us has actually experienced the journey if you get me. That part I don't understand; I like to get from A to B on a normal day, hence why I ride a motorbike in PP, I hate being stuck & sometimes then even would use a motodop/tuk-tuk, etc myself. But the other element is the ability to 'just go' anywhere I like, whenever I like, something the next gen don't seem to give a monkeys about. Or my kids are weird. Either way parental failure, I can take it on the chin!
Wait until they have kids and think, there is a need to haul around the whole baby outfit, where ever they go.
Having a car in PP is convenient, yes.
But it is expensive and can be a pain in the ass unless you have a good, honest reliable mechanic.
I reckon I would likely save (a fair bit of) money moving from my own car to using car hire. Added to the fact that I can work whilst being driven and save time to spend with the family.
I do enjoy having a car though, but it is nothing to do with accomplishing anything in life. It's nothing to do with being an adult.
You are being a tad sensational to try to support your point.
A paid driver, or hired driver does what you want when you want or else you use a different driver.
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Except you have another person in the car whose welfare you have to consider.ផោមក្លិនស្អុយ wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:38 pmv12 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 5:44 pmMoving around by chauffeured car in Cambodia is also a nuisance. The driver does have different priorities than I have. Like commission to let you dine at their preferences, etc. Stop, when they want, instead of moving on, etc. Complaining about "no money", etc.ផោមក្លិនស្អុយ wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 3:25 pmI don't actually agree with this.v12 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 2:53 pmYeah, it takes time to become an adult. When I was 25, my spouse and I decided to get rid of the car (I was driving a car since 18) and do without. It failed, quite a lot of nuisances, despite we were living in quite a big town. It just takes time to conclude a lifestyle where you want to accomplish something in life, can not be combined with a mode of not having your own transportation.Spigzy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 12:35 pmSorry should have clarified, "kids" are adults in the UK - neither has a driving license. It isn't the vagaries of ride hailing that confuse me, but the sheer neglect of what I'd call "freedom".
We can both go from London to some remote part of the UK using either ride hailing, or I can take the V8 for a spin - we both get to the same destination; but only one of us has actually experienced the journey if you get me. That part I don't understand; I like to get from A to B on a normal day, hence why I ride a motorbike in PP, I hate being stuck & sometimes then even would use a motodop/tuk-tuk, etc myself. But the other element is the ability to 'just go' anywhere I like, whenever I like, something the next gen don't seem to give a monkeys about. Or my kids are weird. Either way parental failure, I can take it on the chin!
Wait until they have kids and think, there is a need to haul around the whole baby outfit, where ever they go.
Having a car in PP is convenient, yes.
But it is expensive and can be a pain in the ass unless you have a good, honest reliable mechanic.
I reckon I would likely save (a fair bit of) money moving from my own car to using car hire. Added to the fact that I can work whilst being driven and save time to spend with the family.
I do enjoy having a car though, but it is nothing to do with accomplishing anything in life. It's nothing to do with being an adult.
A paid driver, or hired driver does what you want when you want or else you use a different driver.
Nice to be able to switch off in yer own car, nah?
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Six of one, half dozen of other.spitthedog wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:55 pmExcept you have another person in the car whose welfare you have to consider.ផោមក្លិនស្អុយ wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:38 pmv12 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 5:44 pmMoving around by chauffeured car in Cambodia is also a nuisance. The driver does have different priorities than I have. Like commission to let you dine at their preferences, etc. Stop, when they want, instead of moving on, etc. Complaining about "no money", etc.ផោមក្លិនស្អុយ wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 3:25 pmI don't actually agree with this.v12 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 2:53 pmYeah, it takes time to become an adult. When I was 25, my spouse and I decided to get rid of the car (I was driving a car since 18) and do without. It failed, quite a lot of nuisances, despite we were living in quite a big town. It just takes time to conclude a lifestyle where you want to accomplish something in life, can not be combined with a mode of not having your own transportation.Spigzy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 12:35 pmSorry should have clarified, "kids" are adults in the UK - neither has a driving license. It isn't the vagaries of ride hailing that confuse me, but the sheer neglect of what I'd call "freedom".
We can both go from London to some remote part of the UK using either ride hailing, or I can take the V8 for a spin - we both get to the same destination; but only one of us has actually experienced the journey if you get me. That part I don't understand; I like to get from A to B on a normal day, hence why I ride a motorbike in PP, I hate being stuck & sometimes then even would use a motodop/tuk-tuk, etc myself. But the other element is the ability to 'just go' anywhere I like, whenever I like, something the next gen don't seem to give a monkeys about. Or my kids are weird. Either way parental failure, I can take it on the chin!
Wait until they have kids and think, there is a need to haul around the whole baby outfit, where ever they go.
Having a car in PP is convenient, yes.
But it is expensive and can be a pain in the ass unless you have a good, honest reliable mechanic.
I reckon I would likely save (a fair bit of) money moving from my own car to using car hire. Added to the fact that I can work whilst being driven and save time to spend with the family.
I do enjoy having a car though, but it is nothing to do with accomplishing anything in life. It's nothing to do with being an adult.
A paid driver, or hired driver does what you want when you want or else you use a different driver.
Nice to be able to switch off in yer own car, nah?
There are times when you appreciate being driven, but yes sometimes you just want to be driving by yourself.
I dunno. Every time I see a Tesla on YT I just think dull. Sure they are super fast but what’s the point if there’s no aural senses of that speed?
No gear-changes (remember vario automatics? Dull), no smell after you’ve ragged it, no sweet revs to road speed cornering. Dull.
Although I’ve never been in one so…
Give me a four pot or V6 turbo or a V8 NA beast any day, I’d even settle for an in-line 6,, oh and not forgetting a nice howley rotory. V12? Hmm. Unless you have an exotic supercar nope. (Phaetons don’t count)
Hell. I’d even prefer a big Detroit or Caterpillar diesel.
Or a steam engine.
Electric.
“What kilowatt you running?”
“100”
“Pah. 130..in your face”
Yawn.
No gear-changes (remember vario automatics? Dull), no smell after you’ve ragged it, no sweet revs to road speed cornering. Dull.
Although I’ve never been in one so…
Give me a four pot or V6 turbo or a V8 NA beast any day, I’d even settle for an in-line 6,, oh and not forgetting a nice howley rotory. V12? Hmm. Unless you have an exotic supercar nope. (Phaetons don’t count)
Hell. I’d even prefer a big Detroit or Caterpillar diesel.
Or a steam engine.
Electric.
“What kilowatt you running?”
“100”
“Pah. 130..in your face”
Yawn.
pew, pew, pew, pew!
Indeed, like a scrap dream.spitthedog wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:12 pmMy 2004 Fiesta has been a dream.
No trouble at all, apart from an upstream oxy sensor, and a salvaged bottom rad hose.
I can get in my shitty little pride and joy, covered in shit, without a care.
Although the cat has gone on it, but i got it through it's last test by bombing around the test center in a low gear to get the engine nice and hot. Passed.
A new cat is probably as much as the value of the car.
Funnily enough, i used to work for a hotel owner who had both a 2005 Fiesta, AND a Tesla, parked outside the hotel.
True story that.
IF I would buy a car, it would be a bit bigger. My cars in Europe are all V8........
Of course, a hired driver does / should do what requested, though I don't want to go into discussion and/or continuously having to monitor what is going on.ផោមក្លិនស្អុយ wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:38 pm....
No, none of these things are an issue.
You are being a tad sensational to try to support your point.
A paid driver, or hired driver does what you want when you want or else you use a different driver.
Not sure about sensational, looks pretty realistic and normal to me.
When there is a huge difference in social level, you can be the dictator commander and somebody else does take care of the welfare of the other. Otherwise, it'll be your responsibility, or at least something to consider.spitthedog wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:55 pm.....
Except you have another person in the car whose welfare you have to consider.
Nice to be able to switch off in yer own car, nah?
Not to speak about the whole dull appearance of the Tesla car. IF this would be a Merc or BMW, complaints would overflow YT, Twatter and other social media.YaTingPom wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:43 pmI dunno. Every time I see a Tesla on YT I just think dull. Sure they are super fast but what’s the point if there’s no aural senses of that speed?
No gear-changes (remember vario automatics? Dull), no smell after you’ve ragged it, no sweet revs to road speed cornering. Dull.
Although I’ve never been in one so…
Give me a four pot or V6 turbo or a V8 NA beast any day, I’d even settle for an in-line 6,, oh and not forgetting a nice howley rotory. V12? Hmm. Unless you have an exotic supercar nope. (Phaetons don’t count)
Hell. I’d even prefer a big Detroit or Caterpillar diesel.
Or a steam engine.
Electric.
“What kilowatt you running?”
“100”
“Pah. 130..in your face”
Yawn.
Yeah, some cities are worse, though having lived largely OUTSIDE the busy city areas my whole life, I might have become a bit allergic for traffic congestions. As such, my preference to travel as much as possible by train.YaTingPom wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:05 pmNot sure why anyone complains about the traffic in PP. As cities go it’s tame, especially the city proper not outer PP.
Try driving in London or Paris at ANY time. It’s horrendous.
Sure it was busier years ago before COVID but I wouldn’t really call it gridlocked even at rush hour the traffic moves, unless some prat has blocked it.
Anyhoo. Saw a video and they bought a new battery pack for a Tesla. $21000 plus labor. Chaching!
$21K for just the Tesla battery ? That's cheap. You know, what is does cost to obtain a replacement W12 ? Easily 50% more. Though, then you also have a decent car. Tesla labor should be peanuts, it is supposed to be Plug&Pray.
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Social level??v12 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:02 pmWhen there is a huge difference in social level, you can be the dictator commander and somebody else does take care of the welfare of the other. Otherwise, it'll be your responsibility, or at least something to consider.spitthedog wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:55 pm.....
Except you have another person in the car whose welfare you have to consider.
Nice to be able to switch off in yer own car, nah?
Wos that then dude?
I generally see people as on the same level as myself regardless. Even when I'm in my 2004 Fiesta with a cat below threshold.
"I don't care what the people are thinking, i ain't drunk i'm just drinking"
You get the point, that was what I wrote.spitthedog wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 1:23 amSocial level??v12 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:02 pmWhen there is a huge difference in social level, you can be the dictator commander and somebody else does take care of the welfare of the other. Otherwise, it'll be your responsibility, or at least something to consider.spitthedog wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:55 pm.....
Except you have another person in the car whose welfare you have to consider.
Nice to be able to switch off in yer own car, nah?
Wos that then dude?
I generally see people as on the same level as myself regardless. Even when I'm in my 2004 Fiesta with a cat below threshold.
And because you consider the driver (at least more or less) at the same social level, the driver does do the same. And as such, assigns himself privileges to decide for his own dime, instead of performing the duties he is requested to do.
The W12 is good for 300k and then you’d just replace the block, $8k?v12 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:09 pmYeah, some cities are worse, though having lived largely OUTSIDE the busy city areas my whole life, I might have become a bit allergic for traffic congestions. As such, my preference to travel as much as possible by train.YaTingPom wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:05 pmNot sure why anyone complains about the traffic in PP. As cities go it’s tame, especially the city proper not outer PP.
Try driving in London or Paris at ANY time. It’s horrendous.
Sure it was busier years ago before COVID but I wouldn’t really call it gridlocked even at rush hour the traffic moves, unless some prat has blocked it.
Anyhoo. Saw a video and they bought a new battery pack for a Tesla. $21000 plus labor. Chaching!
$21K for just the Tesla battery ? That's cheap. You know, what is does cost to obtain a replacement W12 ? Easily 50% more. Though, then you also have a decent car. Tesla labor should be peanuts, it is supposed to be Plug&Pray.
And anyway, they are pretty rare, especially in the overpriced Phaeton - not the same as the supercar W12, which I doubt you even do 100k in. It’s a toy.
pew, pew, pew, pew!
Bentley Continental GT W12. "Replacement" blocks do tend to have the same issues/wear out as the one you want to replaceYaTingPom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:46 amThe W12 is good for 300k and then you’d just replace the block, $8k?v12 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:09 pmYeah, some cities are worse, though having lived largely OUTSIDE the busy city areas my whole life, I might have become a bit allergic for traffic congestions. As such, my preference to travel as much as possible by train.YaTingPom wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:05 pmNot sure why anyone complains about the traffic in PP. As cities go it’s tame, especially the city proper not outer PP.
Try driving in London or Paris at ANY time. It’s horrendous.
Sure it was busier years ago before COVID but I wouldn’t really call it gridlocked even at rush hour the traffic moves, unless some prat has blocked it.
Anyhoo. Saw a video and they bought a new battery pack for a Tesla. $21000 plus labor. Chaching!
$21K for just the Tesla battery ? That's cheap. You know, what is does cost to obtain a replacement W12 ? Easily 50% more. Though, then you also have a decent car. Tesla labor should be peanuts, it is supposed to be Plug&Pray.
And anyway, they are pretty rare, especially in the overpriced Phaeton - not the same as the supercar W12, which I doubt you even do 100k in. It’s a toy.
Overhauling W12: Hmmmmm. This is specialist work and those who say "Oh, we can do it", are often bluffing their pitch in. VW (the original developer of the W12 engine) did have to solve a lot of technical issues, resulting in a huge amount of "do not do this" with the block/peripherals. VW does also have the habit to "enhance" the specifications of the parts they obtain from third parties, with the result that the enhancements aren't engineered properly, etc. When over the lifetime the part tolerances start to wear out, the degradation can be significantly.
Don't forget, when "something" goes wrong, the engine blows up again, and you're back in the workshop for another 14 days engine swap. The manufacturer does even have a dedicated "tool/frame" to remove/insert the engine from/into the engine bay, properly.
Even official manufacturer's assigned dealers do have issues to get the normal maintenance done properly, let alone an engine swap.
We should not forget, these super car engines aren't engineered properly for a long life, like cars sold at a large scale, with the simple background, that the owners don't drive their car that much, do have the money to pay for the expensive repairs and don't care to spent that money.
But, alas, this is about Tesla. Happy camping with a replacement battery for a Tesla. You can buy 2 little Hondas for that. Save the world.
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