Well that's a very different claim and not one that I would dispute at all.Falcon Randwick wrote:I don't think I did resort to any "wacky conspiracy theories" and stand by my point that the US certainly does sponsor terrorism.
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Not a different claim at all.Falcon Randwick wrote:Fucking Americans. Why can you never admit that your government creates and maintains widespread networks of terrorists, including the so-called Al Qaeda. It's not a conspiracy, but a well established fact... Just because the US cannot control the end results of their malevolent foreign policy, doesn't mean they didn't initiate things to begin with.
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Funny how some people only speak up when muslims are on the receiving end of the stick for once....
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Huh? You must have missed the grumbles after 9/11Visser wrote:Funny how some people only speak up when muslims are on the receiving end of the stick for once....
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Oh, you're just referring to this forum - should've said. Have a look back at the threads on Israel for plenty criticism of Hezbollah, Hamas etc.Visser wrote:K440 was online back then?
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it is from your original one that the whole thing was a complete fabrication for TWOT....Falcon Randwick wrote:Not a different claim at all.Falcon Randwick wrote:Fucking Americans. Why can you never admit that your government creates and maintains widespread networks of terrorists, including the so-called Al Qaeda. It's not a conspiracy, but a well established fact... Just because the US cannot control the end results of their malevolent foreign policy, doesn't mean they didn't initiate things to begin with.
to be specific:
and that there actually is an Al Qaeda that is anything more than an invention of the American TWOT
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Do I really need to quote myself again...
Fucking Americans. Why can you never admit that your government creates and maintains widespread networks of terrorists, including the so-called Al Qaeda. It's not a conspiracy, but a well established fact.
http://rense.com/general61/myths.htm
http://dprogram.net/2008/12/25/former-b ... -campaign/
http://www.globalresearch.ca/al-qaeda-t ... se-2/24738
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_%E2%80 ... ontroversy
http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... le1245.htm
Just because the US cannot control the end results of their malevolent foreign policy, doesn't mean they didn't initiate things to begin with.
Please do point out where my original statement was wrong.
Fucking Americans. Why can you never admit that your government creates and maintains widespread networks of terrorists, including the so-called Al Qaeda. It's not a conspiracy, but a well established fact.
http://rense.com/general61/myths.htm
http://dprogram.net/2008/12/25/former-b ... -campaign/
http://www.globalresearch.ca/al-qaeda-t ... se-2/24738
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_%E2%80 ... ontroversy
http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... le1245.htm
Just because the US cannot control the end results of their malevolent foreign policy, doesn't mean they didn't initiate things to begin with.
Please do point out where my original statement was wrong.
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yeah, we've established and agreed they funded the anti soviet group in the 80's up until the early 90's. that later gave birth to AQ... however THAT post was in response to calling your theories from the original post, that AQ doesn't even really exists and was some complete fabrication of the US gov't. so when referring to your "original statement" please do include it. you're bad at this whole "timeline" thing huh?
to your statement here, "widespread networks of terrorists" and "maintains" are a smidge misleading/mislead:
during the cold war they supported a number of revolution forces in MANY countries fighting against soviet funded/leaning leadership. and they were far from alone in it... but the US did, at the time, have the biggest check book... so come out as the biggest supporters. of course at the time, while it was the guerrilla warfare of revolution, it was still a far cry from terrorism. generally striking at military targets, not trying to terrorize a civilian population... that all came later, after support/control was pulled.
the mujahideen (the ones who the US was financing, which later spawned the AQ) were also getting funding from britan's mi6/sas... in the form of missiles and anti-aircraft guns. do you blame the UK for the existence of the AQ as well? i notice you don't say "Just because the UK cannot control the end results of their malevolent foreign policy"...
since you aussies pay taxes to the crown... that's you (and all of the rest of England's colonies) funding these actions as well.
the cold war caused a LOT of these petty "funding" of anyone who would stand up to the opposition "funding" of the soviets... it was pretty nasty on all sides. that there is fall-out from that isn't overly surprising, however depending on how you feel about soviet expansion and rule i'd say those actions were fairly successful in shutting it down.
in fact you can equally lay the blame at the feet of the soviet union for empowering the president/gov't at the time those people were rebelling against, who were Afghanistan's own mini version of the khmer rouge. mass execution of the existing families of power, religious leaders, intelligentsia... causing the rest to flee and regroup into the militant uprising you're talking about.
of course, the stretch from this to the taliban/al queda is a big one. one that took another decade (without US funding/support/control) to really establish.
to your statement here, "widespread networks of terrorists" and "maintains" are a smidge misleading/mislead:
during the cold war they supported a number of revolution forces in MANY countries fighting against soviet funded/leaning leadership. and they were far from alone in it... but the US did, at the time, have the biggest check book... so come out as the biggest supporters. of course at the time, while it was the guerrilla warfare of revolution, it was still a far cry from terrorism. generally striking at military targets, not trying to terrorize a civilian population... that all came later, after support/control was pulled.
the mujahideen (the ones who the US was financing, which later spawned the AQ) were also getting funding from britan's mi6/sas... in the form of missiles and anti-aircraft guns. do you blame the UK for the existence of the AQ as well? i notice you don't say "Just because the UK cannot control the end results of their malevolent foreign policy"...
since you aussies pay taxes to the crown... that's you (and all of the rest of England's colonies) funding these actions as well.
the cold war caused a LOT of these petty "funding" of anyone who would stand up to the opposition "funding" of the soviets... it was pretty nasty on all sides. that there is fall-out from that isn't overly surprising, however depending on how you feel about soviet expansion and rule i'd say those actions were fairly successful in shutting it down.
in fact you can equally lay the blame at the feet of the soviet union for empowering the president/gov't at the time those people were rebelling against, who were Afghanistan's own mini version of the khmer rouge. mass execution of the existing families of power, religious leaders, intelligentsia... causing the rest to flee and regroup into the militant uprising you're talking about.
of course, the stretch from this to the taliban/al queda is a big one. one that took another decade (without US funding/support/control) to really establish.
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have a look at the homepage of http://rense.com/ and decide if this is a source you really want to count on...Falcon Randwick wrote: http://rense.com/general61/myths.htm
this source in 1 sentence says there is no such thing as AQ, then in another says they threat of them (meaning they have to exist) is vastly overblown [arguable].Falcon Randwick wrote: http://dprogram.net/2008/12/25/former-b ... -campaign/
this source... well... a 1 word search and i found all the proof of their credibility i needed...Falcon Randwick wrote: http://www.globalresearch.ca/al-qaeda-t ... se-2/24738
http://www.globalresearch.ca/search?q=chemtrails
this goes to show how far the reach to connect the dots is... that snippet of interview with bandar is a perfect example. face it. osama's contact with the CIA was minimal at best, with everyone else out to villify the US by stretching a decade long invisible line between events. at THAT time osama was a relatively benign force who was just another part of the mujahideen movement.Falcon Randwick wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_%E2%80 ... ontroversy
other than some personal opinion, some spin and some reaching to connect dots a decade apart... this doesn't say much different than what i did...Falcon Randwick wrote: http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... le1245.htm
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Turning ugly for the Muslims in Sri Lanka too
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-21840600
Buddhism is rapidly dumping it's long and well-earned reputation as a peaceful, reasonable way of life.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-21840600
Buddhism is rapidly dumping it's long and well-earned reputation as a peaceful, reasonable way of life.
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My views on Aung San Suu Kyi are supported by a surprising source:
http://asiancorrespondent.com/105636/bu ... mes-ahead/
http://asiancorrespondent.com/105636/bu ... mes-ahead/
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Interesting article, but despise journalists who have to end their duty reporting the facts with their own two-bob opinion - whether right or wrong!andyinasia wrote:My views on Aung San Suu Kyi are supported by a surprising source:
http://asiancorrespondent.com/105636/bu ... mes-ahead/
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Sorry, I can't let this lie. My respect for "The Lady" is diminishing by the day. The generals must be wondering why they bothered to bang her up for so long:
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news ... a?page=0,1
The thread title refers to Sam Rainsy meeting Aung San Suu Kyi - it seems now that they have rather too much in common. Not good. Not good at all
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news ... a?page=0,1
Suu Kyi spokesman: “There is no Rohingya”
As advocates condemn "ethnic cleansing" of the Rohingya, officials say no such group exists.
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