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Of course, North-Korea style is the best way to go. China in its original Communism days did also have millions of deaths, just starvation. WdP killing all "commercial" initiatives may return China to the same Communism heydays !
V12... No, it was during the 10s, 20s and 30s that the Chinese were starving... After the Communist revolution, starvation was ended quickly by organized agricultural relief for the entire nation. (Actually, starvation of the peasants and neglect of the Shanghai / Beijing capitalists in the pocket of the U.S. and others helped to drive Mao and his followers to fight for the revolution. Chiang Kai-Shek's cowardly and deliberate accommodation of the Japanese also fueled the popularity and righteousness of the early Communists...)
There was actually a massive, possibly deliberate, one after the Great Leap Forward.
Estimates of number dead are on a scale only possible in China but some say 50m.
Yep, and because the CCP is (very) actively rewriting history (see what happens in Hong Kong), not that many people know about this .......
"See what happens in Hong Kong"? lol. Right, life was great for the locals under the British, right?
I'm sure they loved being second class citizens in their own country.
HK is China.
If the "CCP" is rewriting history, what exactly are they "rewriting"?
It's hilarious that you're totally unaware of your own bullshit.
Why do you think the U.S. (and its allies) should be the arbiter of what happens in the PRC? On what basis does the U.S. deserve to be the moral police of the world?
And the "estimates" that are referred to are often from the ridiculously named "Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation" in Washington. Laughingly, they've added the number of COVID deaths to "victims statistics".
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There was a very popular movie about it in China about 5 or 6 years ago. I asked my staff what they thought and they just shrugged and said it was the past.
Understandable, when your daily most important items is: "drinks and food".
Again, to simplify for those too rabidly "anti-communist" to see my point... Mao and his people did not appear out of nowhere. China was a corrupt country under the thumb of U.S. and European control way back for two hundred years. The frustration and hatred of the Chinese, especially against the English during times before the twentieth century, was completely justified. China was enslaved by European powers. The gross corruption of the feeble republic during the early twentieth century basically made a revolution inevitable, for good and bad both...
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I don't say it was "better" before, though the change into communism was a huge disaster. Independent, how many times China claims, it does have the "perfect political system" in place. I'd say: About the worst political system possible, even scaled higher on the "bad" side than the USA GOP political target.
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"See what happens in Hong Kong"? lol. Right, life was great for the locals under the British, right?
I'm sure they loved being second class citizens in their own country, not financially, though socially.
Let me work on your nonsense.
Yep, much better, given the protests in the past 1.5 - 2 years and the completely failed recent "election", it's clear the majority of the HKers spit out China and the HK poodle.
Actually, the white nose were more second-class citizens in HK, than the HKers themselves.
Yep, that's the only correct item in your writing, AND, the 2-systems principle should have been active a lot longer as is written in the law, regulating the HK transfer from the UK to China. Though, as with everything, China does just ignore these things, when it suits their own benefit. As well, that Xi does not have the eternal life and since he obviously wants the Unification on his palmarès, Xi just "acted".
Why do you think the U.S. (and its allies) should be the arbiter of what happens in the PRC? On what basis does the U.S. deserve to be the moral police of the world?
A "slightly" better political system, where freedom is not rewarded by locking up people, performing genocide and forcing them to change their culture to something not theirs.
And the "estimates" that are referred to are often from the ridiculously named "Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation" in Washington. Laughingly, they've added the number of COVID deaths to "victims statistics".
The estimates do come from the official China scientific bureau's, but that stuff is far beyond your mental capabilities, so just keep on mumbling nonsense. And, if you want to know the references, I did post about that, though you missed that, obviously.
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"See what happens in Hong Kong"? lol. Right, life was great for the locals under the British, right?
I'm sure they loved being second class citizens in their own country, not financially, though socially.
Let me work on your nonsense.
Yep, much better, given the protests in the past 1.5 - 2 years and the completely failed recent "election", it's clear the majority of the HKers spit out China and the HK poodle.
Actually, the white nose were more second-class citizens in HK, than the HKers themselves.
Yep, that's the only correct item in your writing, AND, the 2-systems principle should have been active a lot longer as is written in the law, regulating the HK transfer from the UK to China. Though, as with everything, China does just ignore these things, when it suits their own benefit. As well, that Xi does not have the eternal life and since he obviously wants the Unification on his palmarès, Xi just "acted".
Why do you think the U.S. (and its allies) should be the arbiter of what happens in the PRC? On what basis does the U.S. deserve to be the moral police of the world?
A "slightly" better political system, where freedom is not rewarded by locking up people, performing genocide and forcing them to change their culture to something not theirs.
And the "estimates" that are referred to are often from the ridiculously named "Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation" in Washington. Laughingly, they've added the number of COVID deaths to "victims statistics".
The estimates do come from the official China scientific bureau's, but that stuff is far beyond your mental capabilities, so just keep on mumbling nonsense. And, if you want to know the references, I did post about that, though you missed that, obviously.
lol. You're a walking talking human version of the Mighty Wurlitzer. Are you "Taiwanese" by any chance?
Freedom hey? The freedom to consume. The freedom to think how you're told to think. Ask Julian Assange about freedom. Or Edward Snowden. Or the previously mentioned Gary Webb—oh, I'm sorry, he died with two gunshot wounds to the head.
So your rebuttals include: "What about the Uyghurs?", "HKongers protested against Beijing", "the west is better".
Really? Strange that your views align 100% with U.S. foreign policy yet you think you know the "truth". Laughable.
In 2019 there were 158 million tourists in Xinjiang—with photo and video capabilities. Where is all the documentary evidence of this "genocide"?
After killing millions of Muslims in the Middle East since 9/11/2001, you've taken the U.S. state department at their word when they've claimed to "care about the Uyghurs".
Go on, champ. Find a source for the Uyghur narrative outside the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, the ASPI, or Bellingcat—three known propaganda outlets.
The fact you think the west is "slightly better" when (after all the horrors inflicted on world during the period of colonialism—including China) the U.S. has overthrown 50+ governments since WWII and both installed and supported numerous murderous dictators throughout the world is hilarious.
The U.S. has 900+ military bases all over the planet; a disgusting military budget that dwarfs that of the supposed "bad guys", military operations in 130+ nations and has killed millions of innocent people in the last 20 years alone.
I don't need to talk about how sophisticated their propaganda is as you're a walking talking sub-human version of it.
The PRC has literally done business with other nations. Business. Nothing more; nothing less. They've done exactly what the U.S. does—without the toppling of governments and slaughter of innocent people.
I'd like an explanation (with sources so I can laugh) on the PRC's "rewriting history", too. I must have been living under the rock you mentioned.
On HK, I guess you have no problem with NED providing Joshua Wong and his millions funding or the ridiculous propaganda campaign about "Beijing's brutal actions" during the protests when the police were incredibly restrained.
At the same time, U.S. aligned nations Colombia and Chile (thankfully, Chile may have just made a positive change in government—it's too early to know) were in the throws of constant protests against neoliberalism. Both states killed and disappeared dozens of people, but there was little mention of it in the western media. I wonder why that is, V12?
I lurked the Taiwanese/HK forums during the protests and what people believed was embarrassingly daft. A common thread was the western media was supposedly "working with Beijing" to hide the truth of the "brutality". lol. Because as every serious polital analyst knows, both liberal and conservative U.S. media is so positive when it comes to Beijing
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Understandable, when your daily most important items is: "drinks and food".
Oops, let me correct myself, apologies:
Understandable, when their daily most important items are: "drinks and food".
Quite good. But not quite right just yet.
Move the 'daily' a few words to the right and you will sound a bit less like an automated chat bot.
'When their most important daily items...'
Normally I wouldn't bother, but I know how you like to correct others and point out their errors. And there is really no need to apologise, people here are mostly very forgiving.
#everydayisaschoolday
#sorryformypidginenglish
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Understandable, when your daily most important items is: "drinks and food".
Oops, let me correct myself, apologies:
Understandable, when their daily most important items are: "drinks and food".
Quite good. But not quite right just yet.
Move the 'daily' a few words to the right and you will sound a bit less like an automated chat bot.
'When their most important daily items...'
Normally I wouldn't bother, but I know how you like to correct others and point out their errors. And there is really no need to apologise, people here are mostly very forgiving.
#everydayisaschoolday
#sorryformypidginenglish
Wasn’t RobW talking about his staff?
Did he not pay them or something.
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Understandable, when your daily most important items is: "drinks and food".
Oops, let me correct myself, apologies:
Understandable, when their daily most important items are: "drinks and food".
Quite good. But not quite right just yet.
Move the 'daily' a few words to the right and you will sound a bit less like an automated chat bot.
'When their most important daily items...'
Normally I wouldn't bother, but I know how you like to correct others and point out their errors. And there is really no need to apologise, people here are mostly very forgiving.
#everydayisaschoolday
#sorryformypidginenglish
Wasn’t RobW talking about his staff?
Did he not pay them or something.
As a matter of fact, the two I was thinking about were both educated abroad and both were paid in excess of $100000 per year, not that unusual in Shanghai.
But the solipsist v12 knows better and they were only interested in food and drink or something.
As a happy coincidence, one drives a Tesla.
... The frustration and hatred of the Chinese, especially against the English during times before the twentieth century, was completely justified. China was enslaved by European powers. The gross corruption of the feeble republic during the early twentieth century basically made a revolution inevitable, for good and bad both...
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I don't say it was "better" before, though the change into communism was a huge disaster. Independent, how many times China claims, it does have the "perfect political system" in place. I'd say: About the worst political system possible, even scaled higher on the "bad" side than the USA GOP political target.
I will politely disagree... I think that the Communist Revolution greatly helped to rein in a lot of the negative and unruly qualities that were debilitating Chinese society, and that were responsible for so much chaos, corruption and suffering. I think the Revolution was necessary and sincere, as it was the only way China could liberate herself from its own bad apples and the West. Also, the Revolution gave something for the people to believe in -- themselves - working for each other instead of foreigners and wealthy elites. Anyone who denies that the communists failed to reorganize society, feed most everyone and provide more opportunities for education and advance is wrong: such a person is not looking at the long term 'big picture' of Chinese social and economic development. Focusing on a few select disasters along the way is a niggling way to try understanding China... Anyway, if nothing else, the Revolution has given the Chinese a reason to be proud of their independence...
Nowadays, of course, nobody will deny that the Communist center has descended into authoritarian methods reflecting the bad habit of imposing the age-old Han demand for socio-ethnic homogeneity, which is of course very sad for the Tibetans, Uighurs and many little groups like the Miao and Dong and Naxi among others.
The future of China will probably be some form of democracy that will eventually evolve from the sheer mass of consciousness and collective intelligence of its people. I don't think that the current trend of the central government to brainwash everyone and stifle independent thought can go on forever...
(All that said, we ought to take a caution from the awful example of the United States of America and its present decline into a chaos of mass social beliefs in subjective nonsense -- that "whatever one decides is real and true really is real and true" -- when it quite obviously isn't...)
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"Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it." ...Hannah Arendt
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Understandable, when your daily most important items is: "drinks and food".
Oops, let me correct myself, apologies:
Understandable, when their daily most important items are: "drinks and food".
Quite good. But not quite right just yet.
Move the 'daily' a few words to the right and you will sound a bit less like an automated chat bot.
'When their most important daily items...'
Normally I wouldn't bother, but I know how you like to correct others and point out their errors. And there is really no need to apologise, people here are mostly very forgiving.
#everydayisaschoolday
#sorryformypidginenglish
Wasn’t RobW talking about his staff?
Did he not pay them or something.
As a matter of fact, the two I was thinking about were both educated abroad and both were paid in excess of $100000 per year, not that unusual in Shanghai.
But the solipsist v12 knows better and they were only interested in food and drink or something.
As a happy coincidence, one drives a Tesla.
What about cake. Did they eat cake?
Let them eat cake, ffs.
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