Good, long, detailed read:
https://vodenglish.news/victims-allege- ... detention/
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Snr Politicians, Police Linked To Chinese Mafia Cybercrime
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This country is run by gangsters (with a notable increase of Chinks) and isn't in a much better state than the infamous years. Sad for the average Cambodian. Everything is being sold under their noses. If they are lucky are handed some crumbs. Some day they will have enough or the economy implodes under the debt trap that is being build. Violence will erupt just like we see in other countries with similar "governments". Sadly Thailand is not far behind...
I wonder how many of the banks and other financial institutions here are deeply involved in money laundering of these operations. Investigating and reporting this does not come without a risk to you health / visa I assume....
Sanctions and fines should be applied as happens in the rest of the world in response to similar criminal cases.
I wonder how many of the banks and other financial institutions here are deeply involved in money laundering of these operations. Investigating and reporting this does not come without a risk to you health / visa I assume....
Sanctions and fines should be applied as happens in the rest of the world in response to similar criminal cases.
Crumbs? You've got to be joking. They'd rather give them to their family dogs than give them to any of their poor countryman. I'm convinced they spend a lot of their time making sure it is so
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It's a whole nest of snakes. That's for sure. Let's see how this is addressed.
Romantic Cambodia is dead and gone. It's with McKinley in the grave.
Rather than wait to see how the authorities choose to frame it, and eventually deal with it, I think we should engage in idle speculation.
Kleptocracy?
Sure. Gaining personal benefit from the sale of State assets has slowly snowballed since UNTAC, or even since the Vietnamese 'withdrawal in '89. A vacuum in the Govt, power, and also capacity, meant well connected private companies took over land, offices, and organizations that previously belonged to the state. Though they well knew the value of what they were taking, in the early days and through the '90's it didn't all seem wrong or evil.
Just one example. SOMEONE needed to wake up the Government Oil company, head office almost across the street from the original Canadia Bank/gold exchange, why not the An brothers? They were smart, foreword looking, and yet had current and past history with Vietnam and the top echelons of the Party in Cambodia. Total, Shell and Caltex, among others, moved in fast, but with all their international skills and economic might, they couldn't triumph over the former State Oil company, now known as Sokimex. Taken as a whole, the family are certainly billionaires, all from the seeds of state wealth, but they grew it. I'm not saying it is fair outcome, but it remains an intact and successful Khmer company, and I know some Cambodians are proud of it. If it had been chaotically broken apart into tiny chunks that likely would have been worse for the country.
Land, land, land.
Greed? Yes, and sometimes nasty, but occasionally in a somewhat jovial and chummy way. E.G., in releasing knowledge of future Ring Roads, kind of, "Hey, I've bought my dozen hectares of farmland just off the Dike Road, you can buy some small bit from me, or from the old farmer, but if you get in now, you'll do well!" Some of those old guard got so rich, so fast, and were so happily surprised, that they were not really greedy. The pie, as they saw it, was huge.
Today, with their middle-aged children making decisions, the pie seems much more subdivided and crowded. In Sihanoukville, at least till mid-2019 money was still pouring from the faucet, but I'm not sure the jovial feeling prevailed. Between 2014 and 2020 I only transited, enroute to the islands, but I would guess - with no personal evidence - that behind the broad smiles there was increasing nastiness.
What is next? The tip-top families will claim ignorance and brush it off. A very, very small chance that, a deeply involved young cousin will be charged, but only if common knowledge, evidence is overwhelming, and local anger - with elections on the horizon - at the boiling point. Wrists will be slapped, while he comfortably watches TV/YouTube in the modern equivalent of PJ Prison, but after a week he'll be let out, when some Chinese gangster, now out-of country, is 'shown to be the true evil mastermind. Rampant money laundering will be more under blankets for months. Online gambling will be better hidden. (These folks are even more against the Single Internet Gateway than Cambodia's white expats!)
Question: Is it better if only Chinese bathe in the cash splashing off these scams and schemes, or should some connected Khmer share in the wealth?
The Khmer people should find the answer. As an expat, it isn't my place to say.
Kleptocracy?
Sure. Gaining personal benefit from the sale of State assets has slowly snowballed since UNTAC, or even since the Vietnamese 'withdrawal in '89. A vacuum in the Govt, power, and also capacity, meant well connected private companies took over land, offices, and organizations that previously belonged to the state. Though they well knew the value of what they were taking, in the early days and through the '90's it didn't all seem wrong or evil.
Just one example. SOMEONE needed to wake up the Government Oil company, head office almost across the street from the original Canadia Bank/gold exchange, why not the An brothers? They were smart, foreword looking, and yet had current and past history with Vietnam and the top echelons of the Party in Cambodia. Total, Shell and Caltex, among others, moved in fast, but with all their international skills and economic might, they couldn't triumph over the former State Oil company, now known as Sokimex. Taken as a whole, the family are certainly billionaires, all from the seeds of state wealth, but they grew it. I'm not saying it is fair outcome, but it remains an intact and successful Khmer company, and I know some Cambodians are proud of it. If it had been chaotically broken apart into tiny chunks that likely would have been worse for the country.
Land, land, land.
Greed? Yes, and sometimes nasty, but occasionally in a somewhat jovial and chummy way. E.G., in releasing knowledge of future Ring Roads, kind of, "Hey, I've bought my dozen hectares of farmland just off the Dike Road, you can buy some small bit from me, or from the old farmer, but if you get in now, you'll do well!" Some of those old guard got so rich, so fast, and were so happily surprised, that they were not really greedy. The pie, as they saw it, was huge.
Today, with their middle-aged children making decisions, the pie seems much more subdivided and crowded. In Sihanoukville, at least till mid-2019 money was still pouring from the faucet, but I'm not sure the jovial feeling prevailed. Between 2014 and 2020 I only transited, enroute to the islands, but I would guess - with no personal evidence - that behind the broad smiles there was increasing nastiness.
What is next? The tip-top families will claim ignorance and brush it off. A very, very small chance that, a deeply involved young cousin will be charged, but only if common knowledge, evidence is overwhelming, and local anger - with elections on the horizon - at the boiling point. Wrists will be slapped, while he comfortably watches TV/YouTube in the modern equivalent of PJ Prison, but after a week he'll be let out, when some Chinese gangster, now out-of country, is 'shown to be the true evil mastermind. Rampant money laundering will be more under blankets for months. Online gambling will be better hidden. (These folks are even more against the Single Internet Gateway than Cambodia's white expats!)
Question: Is it better if only Chinese bathe in the cash splashing off these scams and schemes, or should some connected Khmer share in the wealth?
The Khmer people should find the answer. As an expat, it isn't my place to say.
I wonder at what stage Facebook will be considered legally complicit in this.
Virtually every day there are adverts promising salaries of $1000/month or more, with very few /zero other details. The admins of such groups are responsible to some degree, but the fact that FB allows such adverts must indicate some responsibility.
No group admin could allow a post recruiting neo-Nazis and get away with it. Facebook police are there quickly. Likewise when contentious opinions on COVID treatments are posted.
So why the total lack of interest by Facebook? Their software platform is being used to lure people into life-threatening situations, and jobs which are clearly in breach of Cambodian Labor Law.
Virtually every day there are adverts promising salaries of $1000/month or more, with very few /zero other details. The admins of such groups are responsible to some degree, but the fact that FB allows such adverts must indicate some responsibility.
No group admin could allow a post recruiting neo-Nazis and get away with it. Facebook police are there quickly. Likewise when contentious opinions on COVID treatments are posted.
So why the total lack of interest by Facebook? Their software platform is being used to lure people into life-threatening situations, and jobs which are clearly in breach of Cambodian Labor Law.
From people all the way up to countries. The rich have always made/ stolen their money off the poor. It doesn't really matter whether you support it or not. But I do admire those that fight against that model.
Still many a 'Robin Hood' out there.JollyBee wrote: ↑Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:01 pmFrom people all the way up to countries. The rich have always made/ stolen their money off the poor. It doesn't really matter whether you support it or not. But I do admire those that fight against that model.
What like Kem Ley? I sometimes think that "everybody's the same" argument is often used by the perpetrators to justify their actions. It's a very limp wristed argument.Dylan Quint wrote: ↑Sun Feb 20, 2022 3:24 amStill many a 'Robin Hood' out there.JollyBee wrote: ↑Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:01 pmFrom people all the way up to countries. The rich have always made/ stolen their money off the poor. It doesn't really matter whether you support it or not. But I do admire those that fight against that model.
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Can't be a wanker with a limp wristJollyBee wrote: ↑Sun Feb 20, 2022 10:44 amWhat like Kem Ley? I sometimes think that "everybody's the same" argument is often used by the perpetrators to justify their actions. It's a very limp wristed argument.
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