I'm afraid it's a bit late to ask that particular poster any questions.barforsalecambodia wrote:Because millions of dollars could not be siphoned away, while control of the proceedings is maintained, if it was held in the Hague. What would be the point??CharlesTubborce wrote:Why aren't these trials held in The Hague or somewhere else that's neutral to stop the political interference?
Holding them in Cambodia is just asking for a fuck up.
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Some of the horrors being recalled in vivid details:
http://the-diplomat.com/asean-beat/2011 ... #more-1371
http://the-diplomat.com/asean-beat/2011 ... #more-1371
The court heard that beatings with rattans, the use of pincers to pull nails, noses and ear lobes, electrocution and suffocation were common after Cambodians were forced into the countryside amid fears by paranoid ultra-Maoists that the cities had become nerve centers for enemies of the Khmer Rouge.
At Sre Ambel, laborers toiled in fields until their legs were eaten away by salt water. But far more grisly forms of torture persisted, including disembowelment and acts of cannibalism. One prisoner had his feet nailed to a board and was ordered to sing while he was beaten. Others had their gall bladders removed, which were then taken to the kitchen. Children aged as young as two or three were swung by their feet and their heads smashed into a tamarind tree.
The packed public gallery also heard how one man was stripped naked to the waist and held by two Khmer Rouge soldiers while a third used a knife to rip open his stomach, his entrails were pulled out and the liver removed while he was still alive.
This involved forced marriages and the construction of a massive airstrip in the central province of Kampong Chhanang, which was funded by and built for the Chinese government, longtime supporters of the Khmer Rouge throughout the Cold War.
Speaking outside the court, Helen Jarvis – a senior advisor to the Cambodian government and a former spokeswoman for the ECCC – noted the Khmer Rouge had “hoodwinked the world” with its puritanical propaganda regarding morality and sex.
Instead, prosecutors told how mass marriages were enforced between strangers in bizarre ceremonies. One involved men and women being forced to line up facing each other, the lights were turned off and they were told to walk towards each other and hold out their hands.
They were forced to marry by the touch of a hand. Women who denied their husbands conjugal rights were shot. Desired young girls and women were given as trophy brides to favored cadre and troops who had been handicapped in battle. Muslims were forced to marry non-Muslims.
Nuon Chea's reaction:Of broader diplomatic importance was a massive airstrip the Khmer Rouge had undertaken with forced labor. As many as 30,000 people were marched to the site and told to go to work. Conditions were so bad that many opted for suicide, choosing to leap under trucks driving past, hanging, poisoning or drowning. The court was told how every member of the Standing Committee had visited the site. Among them was Khieu Samphan, who urged laborers to work harder.
In response, Nuon Chea who had previously sat motionless, dismissed the opening argument as not true before launching into an unrepentant tirade of communist clichés blaming U.S. bombings and Vietnamese designs on Cambodia for policies that arose after they came to power.
He said Vietnam intended to “swallow Cambodia and rip Cambodia of her ethnic race” while noting that a “python only swallows its prey after its suffocated” and “never trust a foreigner.”
He said Cambodian problems were exacerbated by the 1970 coup that ousted Prince Norodom Sihanouk and installed U.S.-friendly Lon Nol as leader, which would result in millions of homeless people and enormous shortages of food and medicine while foreign infiltrators were sabotaging the country.
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A short piece from the BBC:
Nuon Chea: Khmer Rouge 'were not bad people'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-16028435
Nuon Chea: Khmer Rouge 'were not bad people'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-16028435
Outrageous bare-faced lies or delusion, either way still pretty breathtaking."I don't want the next generations to misunderstand the history," Nuon Chea told the court.
"I don't want them to misunderstand that the Khmer Rouge are bad people, are criminals. Nothing is true about that."
The 85-year-old said he had devoted himself to serving his country, and said killings under the regime were carried out by rogue elements and the Vietnamese.
"These war crimes and crimes against humanity were not committed by the Cambodian people," he said. "It was the Vietnamese who killed Cambodians."
http://twitter.com/JaredsCambodia just tweeted that the ECCC is available to follow online via live video feed at http://www.ustream.tv/channel/eccc-live
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Kasper has now quit. Wonder if that will be the final death blow to this undignified, bloated farce...
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I'm not really up to speed on this. Can you very briefly summarize the implications of Kasper quitting?Vox Clamantis wrote:Kasper has now quit. Wonder if that will be the final death blow to this undignified, bloated farce...
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keeping_it_riel wrote:I'm not really up to speed on this. Can you very briefly summarize the implications of Kasper quitting?Vox Clamantis wrote:Kasper has now quit. Wonder if that will be the final death blow to this undignified, bloated farce...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-17432484
Doesn't explicitly answer your question, but I'd have thought it further damages the credibility of the Khmer side of the 'independent' judicial system.
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In agreement with AiA. This won't help...
Kasper had balls and was willing to actually investigate other cases, as opposed to Blunt who wasn't (and was actually forced out by his staff who threatened to out his dubious methods).
Now the problem the UN has is whether they continue to support a completely compromised trial (some would argue that the very setting up of the trial in the way that it was set up meant it was doomed from the start) or pull out (much egg on face). My guess is that they'll continue spending money on this bloated farce infinitum and they'll find some very weak judge (who won't do anything) to take Kasper's place.
Kasper had balls and was willing to actually investigate other cases, as opposed to Blunt who wasn't (and was actually forced out by his staff who threatened to out his dubious methods).
Now the problem the UN has is whether they continue to support a completely compromised trial (some would argue that the very setting up of the trial in the way that it was set up meant it was doomed from the start) or pull out (much egg on face). My guess is that they'll continue spending money on this bloated farce infinitum and they'll find some very weak judge (who won't do anything) to take Kasper's place.
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One of Cambodia's leading journalists and foremost researchers on the Khmer Rouge has told the Guardian he fears for his life after a two-year harassment campaign by state security forces he claims are attempting to prevent him from completing his latest film about the Killing Fields. Etc...
From The Guardian a few hours ago:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/ma ... fears-life
From The Guardian a few hours ago:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/ma ... fears-life
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Unfit to stand trial?!!?
How about unfit for mass exodus & forced labor?!?!
Article about a rotten old cunt named Leng Thirith:
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia-paci ... 14170.html
...."probably has Alzheimer's". "progressive....degenerative"---so get the damn trial over with YESTERDAY!!
Sister-in-law of Pol Pot?! NOOO, she couldn't POSSIBLY be guilty.
Skip the damn ridiculous courtroom formalities!
Let me get this straight, what your saying is, she will be better in the future, then you'll try her?!
How fucking convenient.
How about unfit for mass exodus & forced labor?!?!
Article about a rotten old cunt named Leng Thirith:
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia-paci ... 14170.html
...."probably has Alzheimer's". "progressive....degenerative"---so get the damn trial over with YESTERDAY!!
Sister-in-law of Pol Pot?! NOOO, she couldn't POSSIBLY be guilty.
Skip the damn ridiculous courtroom formalities!
Let me get this straight, what your saying is, she will be better in the future, then you'll try her?!
How fucking convenient.
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Being related to someone is not a crime. She was being tried for her actions as one of highest-ranking Kampuchean Communist Party members. She does seem to have lost the plot too, last year she was muttering on about how she shouldn't be on trial because she was highly educated and from a good family.Iridesce wrote: Sister-in-law of Pol Pot?! NOOO, she couldn't POSSIBLY be guilty.
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