I'm already losing hope but here comes my last try: how about to open a restaurant?
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I know nothing about Philosophy but I do have a little experience in the hospitality industry. The way I see the opportunities for a restaurant in Cambodia are thus: invest little money and open another run-of-the-mill restaurant in a saturated market. If, a big IF, you are successful and manage to attract people, expect to make a pittance in return for 16-hour days, 7 days a week. The other option is to invest a few million and open an amazing place that people will travel to from near and far and leave serious money. But then, if you have a few million to invest, you might as well lie on the beach with an ice-cold beer.
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Yes, of course, you may but that doesn’t mean you could or indeed should
Those damn cooks showing off all the time!!
Meum est propositum in taberna mori,
ut sint Guinness proxima morientis ori.
tunc cantabunt letius angelorum chori:
"Sit Deus propitius huic potatori."
ut sint Guinness proxima morientis ori.
tunc cantabunt letius angelorum chori:
"Sit Deus propitius huic potatori."
To answer the Op's last question, for me it was as Alexandra said - I arrived with a bunch of banking/tech skills after working 15 years in the City of London finance sector, that just didn't really exist here back in 2007. I noticed it on my first visit here when there were just 2 ATMs in the whole country - the lightbulb went off that there would be opportunity in the sector (only ANZR back then really was working on the 'next level', akin to what ABA is doing now) - and opportunity there was, and I've been here ever since having now networked with the local folks I need to integrate here longer term.
I'd definitely recommend visiting the country first before jumping in feet first; you can either confirm you've got a chance at whatever it might be - English teaching, cooking, etc. I know successful expats in just about every sector I can think of, but again for every one of those there are maybe 5-10 who have tried and failed. I know that even my favourite restaurants really struggled with COVID losses, and some are still barely treading water - and those are folks with decades of experience.
I do agree with Violet however - if we all just said "that's too hard", we'd get nowhere. So come here on a visit, do some serious homework whilst enjoying the lifestyle here, and then give it your best shot. The worst thing that can happen is you get your own [edit: gavinmac] K440 thread after multiple failures - it's not all that bad!
I'd definitely recommend visiting the country first before jumping in feet first; you can either confirm you've got a chance at whatever it might be - English teaching, cooking, etc. I know successful expats in just about every sector I can think of, but again for every one of those there are maybe 5-10 who have tried and failed. I know that even my favourite restaurants really struggled with COVID losses, and some are still barely treading water - and those are folks with decades of experience.
I do agree with Violet however - if we all just said "that's too hard", we'd get nowhere. So come here on a visit, do some serious homework whilst enjoying the lifestyle here, and then give it your best shot. The worst thing that can happen is you get your own [edit: gavinmac] K440 thread after multiple failures - it's not all that bad!
Meum est propositum in taberna mori,
ut sint Guinness proxima morientis ori.
tunc cantabunt letius angelorum chori:
"Sit Deus propitius huic potatori."
ut sint Guinness proxima morientis ori.
tunc cantabunt letius angelorum chori:
"Sit Deus propitius huic potatori."
Somewhere on here, the inimitable Captain Bonez wrote a treatise on teaching the English. He made it sound pretty good: get stoned, teach some fun kids, get stoned, play pool, get stoned play guitar and drink beer. Fuck women, get stoned etc.
Kampot has some great restaurants. I'd say one for about every 6 people who can afford them. Each one seems to advertise every day on a Facebook page. Have a look. Phnom Penh has a gazillion great restaurants and the great, foreign and khmer, seem to be packed every night.
Anyway, I guess you'd have to spend a half year here before making a decision but you could get stoned and teach the English in the meantime.
Kampot has some great restaurants. I'd say one for about every 6 people who can afford them. Each one seems to advertise every day on a Facebook page. Have a look. Phnom Penh has a gazillion great restaurants and the great, foreign and khmer, seem to be packed every night.
Anyway, I guess you'd have to spend a half year here before making a decision but you could get stoned and teach the English in the meantime.
Phnom Penh is in urgent need of an open air decent fish and chips restaurant.
2 caveats
- premptive ban of Australian females
- learn to slip a tenner discreetly
2 caveats
- premptive ban of Australian females
- learn to slip a tenner discreetly
At the other hand, being in the possession of a micropenis should not hold you back from opening a restaurant. Just sayin'.
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especially if hiring a manager rather than working yourself.Hanno wrote: ↑Wed Jun 01, 2022 9:57 amI know nothing about Philosophy but I do have a little experience in the hospitality industry. The way I see the opportunities for a restaurant in Cambodia are thus: invest little money and open another run-of-the-mill restaurant in a saturated market. If, a big IF, you are successful and manage to attract people, expect to make a pittance in return for 16-hour days, 7 days a week. The other option is to invest a few million and open an amazing place that people will travel to from near and far and leave serious money. But then, if you have a few million to invest, you might as well lie on the beach with an ice-cold beer.
The mind is not a vessel to be filled, but a fire to be kindled.
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Not forgetting that running any business isn’t a 9 to 5 job. It’s all consuming. 24/7.
Even if you’ve got a day off you’ll thinking about work.
The last thing you think about before you drop off to sleep, after that ladyboy, is work.
Work, work, work.
That’s the main reason people give up. Not “personal reasons”, not “concentrating on other projects” or financial constraints.
It seems that any western restaurant here (especially Kampot) opens with a flurry of interest and lots of comments (from friends/cabal/socks) then it slowly dies off to a dribble.
Some people are not meant to run businesses.
Even if you’ve got a day off you’ll thinking about work.
The last thing you think about before you drop off to sleep, after that ladyboy, is work.
Work, work, work.
That’s the main reason people give up. Not “personal reasons”, not “concentrating on other projects” or financial constraints.
It seems that any western restaurant here (especially Kampot) opens with a flurry of interest and lots of comments (from friends/cabal/socks) then it slowly dies off to a dribble.
Some people are not meant to run businesses.
pew, pew, pew, pew!
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Some fast answeres:
1. I'm really not a person who will use drugs to get "stoned". I even don't smoke and do not drink hard alcohol. I do 5 kind of sports.
2. I'm highly educated person (a writer, a philosopher, a webmaster, a sportsman, i. e. something like the old time's encyclopedists) who never stops reading and learning especially in the field of psychology, anthropology, history, sexology and other things related to human nature. I'm writing poems and different types of e-books (about human love, losing weight, sinology, etc.) If there weren't so many limitations for the foreigners in China, I could get better just because of the knowledge I posses, which beleive me, is huge compared with the commoners'.
Hence, because I'm a good, sporty, educated and social person, I do think that maybe I have at least the same chances like the rest of people -- stoners, criminals, uneducated, semi-educated, etc.
There is no logic that exactly a rarely healthy, full of knowledge and sporty person like me, will do the things worse than most of the people, who are not that well educated, healthy, sporty, experienced, etc. Sorry to say that (I know many will think of virtual signaling like "Be modest, dude!"), but I'm not just "one ordinary guy". And I'm nearly 50 years old already to take me as a non-serious teenager who just want to SEAmaxx over there.
I STRONGLY DISAGREE WITH THAT IMPLICABLE ATTITUDE: "Look man, the uneducated man from the village over there who even doesn't make difference between "Canada" and Mexico + who even doesn't know what the "imaginary unit" in math is, CAN RUN A RESTAURANT and to be rich. But you, man, nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo... It's too difficult for you to run a restaurant."
Why, the h*eck, we're reading, learning, thinking, writing and so on, IF the lower educated class can make those simple businesses better than us?! Yes, if I say "I want to produce cars." or "I wanna make watches.", you may say it's not possible, but A RESTAURANT that even people without basic math's, ads', hygiene's and business' skills can do... It's a kind of insult for my intelligent being. (Nota bene!)
3. And now about the restaurants. If you think that in Asia (and in China, for sure) to make a successful restaurant you need knowledge and experience, you're really not familiar with how many LACKING OF BASIC HYGIENE AND BASIC ECONOMICS KNOWLEDGE people DO successful restaurants around.
3.1. Picture numer 1: https://img1.baidu.com/it/u=317726592,3 ... =667&h=500 (They just set up some tables in front of the polluted street and selling fast food. Customers -- granted!)
3.2. Picture number 2: https://gimg2.baidu.com/image_search/sr ... ac1add7ddd (They don't care that the kitchen looks likes a pig farm or something. But the customers don't mind or just don't go inside to see it.)
And yes, why not to run even a hotel (if you have the capital and if it's not during the COVIDization or another problems)? I don't understand what is the problem if a person tries to establish at least 1 little business or to find an ordinary job in that country?! The killing impression is "WE CAN be here and we are here, but you CAN'T and you're not welcome."
4. Thank you for the well manered and the helpful answers (most of them are). I do agree that the best is first to go there. I'm just afraid not to do the same mistake -- they (in the Chinese embassy, in 1993) told me that in China I'll get citizenship in 5 years and I believed all the Chinese propaganda at that time. When I came here I saw that it's even nearly impossible to get a Green card. They're giving these only to very useful foreigners. I'm not enough useful (for example a popular footballer or a nuclear genius). Of course, at the end, probably I really have to just go to Cambodia without any concrete plan, because there you can at least have a working visa. Recently in China the xenophobia (and/or protectionism) is so high that the woking visas' opportunities were limited too. Less and less foreigners in China. It's so sad, because I really believed I can become a Chinese citizen and to help this country to build a real socialistic society, not nationalistic empire what it looks like now. (During Hu Jintao's rule it was pretty democratic and enough free, and open. Not now.)
In China the foreigners can't find job like cleaners, waiters and so on, like in other places like Japan for example, where you can see people working all the jobs like the Japanese people. In most of the cases if you're not an exchange student or married, you have to leave it. Well, even the married people when can't find jobs and have no own capital have no choice and are going to leave, because to find a working visa job here is getting less and less possible.
1. I'm really not a person who will use drugs to get "stoned". I even don't smoke and do not drink hard alcohol. I do 5 kind of sports.
2. I'm highly educated person (a writer, a philosopher, a webmaster, a sportsman, i. e. something like the old time's encyclopedists) who never stops reading and learning especially in the field of psychology, anthropology, history, sexology and other things related to human nature. I'm writing poems and different types of e-books (about human love, losing weight, sinology, etc.) If there weren't so many limitations for the foreigners in China, I could get better just because of the knowledge I posses, which beleive me, is huge compared with the commoners'.
Hence, because I'm a good, sporty, educated and social person, I do think that maybe I have at least the same chances like the rest of people -- stoners, criminals, uneducated, semi-educated, etc.
There is no logic that exactly a rarely healthy, full of knowledge and sporty person like me, will do the things worse than most of the people, who are not that well educated, healthy, sporty, experienced, etc. Sorry to say that (I know many will think of virtual signaling like "Be modest, dude!"), but I'm not just "one ordinary guy". And I'm nearly 50 years old already to take me as a non-serious teenager who just want to SEAmaxx over there.
I STRONGLY DISAGREE WITH THAT IMPLICABLE ATTITUDE: "Look man, the uneducated man from the village over there who even doesn't make difference between "Canada" and Mexico + who even doesn't know what the "imaginary unit" in math is, CAN RUN A RESTAURANT and to be rich. But you, man, nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo... It's too difficult for you to run a restaurant."
Why, the h*eck, we're reading, learning, thinking, writing and so on, IF the lower educated class can make those simple businesses better than us?! Yes, if I say "I want to produce cars." or "I wanna make watches.", you may say it's not possible, but A RESTAURANT that even people without basic math's, ads', hygiene's and business' skills can do... It's a kind of insult for my intelligent being. (Nota bene!)
3. And now about the restaurants. If you think that in Asia (and in China, for sure) to make a successful restaurant you need knowledge and experience, you're really not familiar with how many LACKING OF BASIC HYGIENE AND BASIC ECONOMICS KNOWLEDGE people DO successful restaurants around.
3.1. Picture numer 1: https://img1.baidu.com/it/u=317726592,3 ... =667&h=500 (They just set up some tables in front of the polluted street and selling fast food. Customers -- granted!)
3.2. Picture number 2: https://gimg2.baidu.com/image_search/sr ... ac1add7ddd (They don't care that the kitchen looks likes a pig farm or something. But the customers don't mind or just don't go inside to see it.)
And yes, why not to run even a hotel (if you have the capital and if it's not during the COVIDization or another problems)? I don't understand what is the problem if a person tries to establish at least 1 little business or to find an ordinary job in that country?! The killing impression is "WE CAN be here and we are here, but you CAN'T and you're not welcome."
4. Thank you for the well manered and the helpful answers (most of them are). I do agree that the best is first to go there. I'm just afraid not to do the same mistake -- they (in the Chinese embassy, in 1993) told me that in China I'll get citizenship in 5 years and I believed all the Chinese propaganda at that time. When I came here I saw that it's even nearly impossible to get a Green card. They're giving these only to very useful foreigners. I'm not enough useful (for example a popular footballer or a nuclear genius). Of course, at the end, probably I really have to just go to Cambodia without any concrete plan, because there you can at least have a working visa. Recently in China the xenophobia (and/or protectionism) is so high that the woking visas' opportunities were limited too. Less and less foreigners in China. It's so sad, because I really believed I can become a Chinese citizen and to help this country to build a real socialistic society, not nationalistic empire what it looks like now. (During Hu Jintao's rule it was pretty democratic and enough free, and open. Not now.)
In China the foreigners can't find job like cleaners, waiters and so on, like in other places like Japan for example, where you can see people working all the jobs like the Japanese people. In most of the cases if you're not an exchange student or married, you have to leave it. Well, even the married people when can't find jobs and have no own capital have no choice and are going to leave, because to find a working visa job here is getting less and less possible.
Omnilogist.
^ Can't read all that, fella.
I remember you said something about economics and hiring managers etc. Don't think you need a PhD in your economicals to run the numbahs on that though.
You will work at Beltei and you will like it.
I remember you said something about economics and hiring managers etc. Don't think you need a PhD in your economicals to run the numbahs on that though.
You will work at Beltei and you will like it.
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So in summary, you are extremely intelligent, like a higher intellect than most other people.
You will make a success of anything you try because of said intellect.
I wonder how, with someone so clever and prone to being successful that at 50 years old you when you sell up everything to move here you’ll only be able to scrape together around $39,000.
It doesn’t quite add up so I suggest that perhaps you aren’t as great as you think you are, or maybe you are just trolling.
Beltei it will be.
You will make a success of anything you try because of said intellect.
I wonder how, with someone so clever and prone to being successful that at 50 years old you when you sell up everything to move here you’ll only be able to scrape together around $39,000.
It doesn’t quite add up so I suggest that perhaps you aren’t as great as you think you are, or maybe you are just trolling.
Beltei it will be.
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