An unusual matter
An unusual matter
I have no idea where or how to start.
I'll just put them here as they are
I'm from an EU country.
I'm sure I'm wanted (for using counterfeit money in late 2001 in several EU countries)
Amount was about 85k Euros worth of another country (I won't mention which). I didn't actually forge the banknotes. I bought them at 40% of face value and converted those notes to genuine ones.
I became more brazen and during my last attempt to convert more notes, the exchange office's staff delayed/stalled me and called authorities. I was arrested but received bail, then disappeared.
I'm in one of these countries: TH, KH, Laos, Vietnam but will leave it at that.
Using VPN (and prepaid disposable sim that i bought anonymously)
In 2008 I obtained a birth certificate, passport and identity card from a country within the South Asia, South East Asia range of countries at immense cost to me. I will leave it at that. The documents are genuine and I have travelled with them to some countries and even traveled "home" to the issuing country a few times with the passport scanned during entry and exit by their immigration officers. Renewed too without any issues.
I am in comfortable position financially, have bank accounts under this acquired identity and even a secured credit card from a Thai bank. However i feel like i am living on borrowed time. Sophisticated identity management systems are being introduced in the country that issued these documents. It's just a matter of time before this might/could be discovered and I will have to face the music.
I am now contemplating surrendering to authorities back in my home country (the real home country, that is). This is why I am posting here. The offense seems to have met the statute of limitations but I am unsure as I would hate to "wake sleeping dogs" by contacting the authorities directly. I am also worried about "coming clean" only to discover that I opened a bigger can of worms by doing just that. This is because of other problems I anticipate, namely:
1. Whether or not I am still on an Interpol watchlist despite 2 decades having passed
2. If I manage to obtain an ETD or emergency travel document which is given to EU citizens for a single journey back to their EU country of origin, how will I exit if the country I am in currently has the assumed identity on their systems
If there is a solution, I would like to get my local affairs in order, close my bank accounts, settle the remaining condo contract etc.
I'll just put them here as they are
I'm from an EU country.
I'm sure I'm wanted (for using counterfeit money in late 2001 in several EU countries)
Amount was about 85k Euros worth of another country (I won't mention which). I didn't actually forge the banknotes. I bought them at 40% of face value and converted those notes to genuine ones.
I became more brazen and during my last attempt to convert more notes, the exchange office's staff delayed/stalled me and called authorities. I was arrested but received bail, then disappeared.
I'm in one of these countries: TH, KH, Laos, Vietnam but will leave it at that.
Using VPN (and prepaid disposable sim that i bought anonymously)
In 2008 I obtained a birth certificate, passport and identity card from a country within the South Asia, South East Asia range of countries at immense cost to me. I will leave it at that. The documents are genuine and I have travelled with them to some countries and even traveled "home" to the issuing country a few times with the passport scanned during entry and exit by their immigration officers. Renewed too without any issues.
I am in comfortable position financially, have bank accounts under this acquired identity and even a secured credit card from a Thai bank. However i feel like i am living on borrowed time. Sophisticated identity management systems are being introduced in the country that issued these documents. It's just a matter of time before this might/could be discovered and I will have to face the music.
I am now contemplating surrendering to authorities back in my home country (the real home country, that is). This is why I am posting here. The offense seems to have met the statute of limitations but I am unsure as I would hate to "wake sleeping dogs" by contacting the authorities directly. I am also worried about "coming clean" only to discover that I opened a bigger can of worms by doing just that. This is because of other problems I anticipate, namely:
1. Whether or not I am still on an Interpol watchlist despite 2 decades having passed
2. If I manage to obtain an ETD or emergency travel document which is given to EU citizens for a single journey back to their EU country of origin, how will I exit if the country I am in currently has the assumed identity on their systems
If there is a solution, I would like to get my local affairs in order, close my bank accounts, settle the remaining condo contract etc.
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I think I have seen this movie already but can’t remember either the title or how it ends,
But if it was true my first step would be posting a vague message on an online message board.
One part that doesn’t make sense to me is that you say purchased docs are genuine then you say that systems are becoming more sophisticated and are worried that you might be caught… caught with genuine docs?
But if it was true my first step would be posting a vague message on an online message board.
One part that doesn’t make sense to me is that you say purchased docs are genuine then you say that systems are becoming more sophisticated and are worried that you might be caught… caught with genuine docs?
In addition to what i posted above, there are other reasons for wanting to surrender. I very miss my country is one of those. Another one is the severe disadvantage of using a passport with visa-free privileges that are about a third of my home country's 180+ destinations.
Topping the list of reasons is if something unfortunate were to happen to me, I would prefer my passing to be recorded in my real name.
Topping the list of reasons is if something unfortunate were to happen to me, I would prefer my passing to be recorded in my real name.
1. Look it up, it’s not rocket science. https://www.interpol.int/en/How-we-work ... ed-Noticesptr.aut wrote: ↑Sun Sep 04, 2022 5:19 pm1. Whether or not I am still on an Interpol watchlist despite 2 decades having passed
2. If I manage to obtain an ETD or emergency travel document which is given to EU citizens for a single journey back to their EU country of origin, how will I exit if the country I am in currently has the assumed identity on their systems
You can also call the police in your country and ask them if they are looking for you. Don’t tell them that you want to know if they suspect you of crimes you have committed. Just ask if you are wanted. They will tell you.
2. Why would you need an ETD? You said that you’ve been back to your country using the Asian passport.
Anyway, leave the country that you’re in using the purchased bogus passport and enter your country with your ETD.
I will most likely get an ETD because people wanted in my country are refused passports and are instead offered an ETD only to ensure they return and face prosecution.
No, the police will not tell me. I think only lawyers can do it. The privilege is called "Akteneinsicht".
No, the police will not tell me. I think only lawyers can do it. The privilege is called "Akteneinsicht".
Then you can find out if you are wanted by applying for a passport. If the application is denied then you are wanted, no?ptr.aut wrote: ↑Sun Sep 04, 2022 9:32 pmI will most likely get an ETD because people wanted in my country are refused passports and are instead offered an ETD only to ensure they return and face prosecution.
No, the police will not tell me. I think only lawyers can do it. The privilege is called "Akteneinsicht".
Why wouldn’t the police tell you if you are wanted? How can people turn themselves in if they are secretly wanted? That doesn’t sound right.
"Anyway, leave the country that you’re in using the purchased bogus passport and enter your country with your ETD."
About this, I wish it were that simple. The current passport I am using doesn't allow visa free travel to Schengen countries. When checking in, they make sure the requirement are met and then I have to go through immigration with that same boarding pass that check-in staff issued me with. As such, I can't check in with this 3rd-world passport unless I first get a Schengen visa on it but it becomes more complicated if I do such a thing because embassies cross-check fingerprints with the SIS II and the VIS databases.
About this, I wish it were that simple. The current passport I am using doesn't allow visa free travel to Schengen countries. When checking in, they make sure the requirement are met and then I have to go through immigration with that same boarding pass that check-in staff issued me with. As such, I can't check in with this 3rd-world passport unless I first get a Schengen visa on it but it becomes more complicated if I do such a thing because embassies cross-check fingerprints with the SIS II and the VIS databases.
You’re making this overly complicated.ptr.aut wrote: ↑Sun Sep 04, 2022 9:38 pm"Anyway, leave the country that you’re in using the purchased bogus passport and enter your country with your ETD."
About this, I wish it were that simple. The current passport I am using doesn't allow visa free travel to Schengen countries. When checking in, they make sure the requirement are met and then I have to go through immigration with that same boarding pass that check-in staff issued me with. As such, I can't check in with this 3rd-world passport unless I first get a Schengen visa on it but it becomes more complicated if I do such a thing because embassies cross-check fingerprints with the SIS II and the VIS databases.
Buy a ticket for your Asian passport. When they ask if you have a Schengen visa, show them the European ETD. Travel to Europe with your Asian passport. When you land, show them your ETD.
People do this all the time, I have personally entered Europe the same way except I didn’t use an ETD. You do not need a Schengen visa in your Asian passport because you are entering Europe with your ETD.
It is standard procedure for dual citizens.
"Buy a ticket for your Asian passport. When they ask if you have a Schengen visa, show them the European ETD. Travel to Europe with your Asian passport. When you land, show them your ETD."
About that part, this will not work because the passport I am currently using is a totally different name. When boarding the aircraft, they will check boarding pass and passport. And the boarding pass is issued after they confirm I am "OK to board"
About that part, this will not work because the passport I am currently using is a totally different name. When boarding the aircraft, they will check boarding pass and passport. And the boarding pass is issued after they confirm I am "OK to board"
My passports are in different names. It works fine, never had any problem.ptr.aut wrote: ↑Sun Sep 04, 2022 9:49 pmAbout that part, this will not work because the passport I am currently using is a totally different name. When boarding the aircraft, they will check boarding pass and passport. And the boarding pass is issued after they confirm I am "OK to board"
You are a citizen of a European country. You may enter the Schengen area without a visa as long as you can prove your citizenship. Your ETD is your proof.
I am not worried about what happens when I arrive. It's what happens if the passport discrepancies are discovered before I board.
Yes, I do know a little bit about it. Checked and researched airline and immigration procedures.
As for passports with different names, that's very hard to explain to border officials.
Anyway, many thanks for your input. I will probably engage a lawyer in Europe to check for warrant(s). Thank you again.
Yes, I do know a little bit about it. Checked and researched airline and immigration procedures.
As for passports with different names, that's very hard to explain to border officials.
Anyway, many thanks for your input. I will probably engage a lawyer in Europe to check for warrant(s). Thank you again.
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Ah. Yes, good point.ptr.aut wrote: ↑Sun Sep 04, 2022 9:49 pm"Buy a ticket for your Asian passport. When they ask if you have a Schengen visa, show them the European ETD. Travel to Europe with your Asian passport. When you land, show them your ETD."
About that part, this will not work because the passport I am currently using is a totally different name. When boarding the aircraft, they will check boarding pass and passport. And the boarding pass is issued after they confirm I am "OK to board"
Tricky situation you are in. Even if you are not wanted, you are going to face charges for your fake ID, aren’t you?
So, if you are not wanted, you can get a visa with your new identity, get home and begin from there - is that right?
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I’ve never been asked by anybody why the names don’t match in my passports. What do you need to explain? You are free to change your name.ptr.aut wrote: ↑Sun Sep 04, 2022 9:59 pmAs for passports with different names, that's very hard to explain to border officials.
If your DOB was different now that would make them curious.
Yes, different name, different date of birth, different place of birth
And the fingerprint device at BKK immigration? Wouldn't it show my histories of ins/outs under this blue Asian passport instead of my red EU one?
And the fingerprint device at BKK immigration? Wouldn't it show my histories of ins/outs under this blue Asian passport instead of my red EU one?
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