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There are several American posters on 440. I would be fascinated to hear from them re their views on this. Several years ago DetroitMuscle did his best to argue for rights to have free access to assault rifles etc which is odd because he looked like he might get his neck snapped by the recoil from a potato gun.
But these neverending litany of horrendous massacres seems to go largely ignored now. It’s almost as if Americans accept it as the new normal.
But these neverending litany of horrendous massacres seems to go largely ignored now. It’s almost as if Americans accept it as the new normal.
Horrendous massacres have been the norm for more than a decade. I oppose any legislation that further restricts access to firearms because I don't trust the government or the police. The US government is directly responsible for the deaths of millions so I oppose anything that would strengthen their power.
Harold wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 10:50 pmHorrendous massacres have been the norm for more than a decade. I oppose any legislation that further restricts access to firearms because I don't trust the government or the police. The US government is directly responsible for the deaths of millions so I oppose anything that would strengthen their power.
And here in a nutshell is why the rest of the world looks at America and thinks the country is broken and stark raving mad. Its own citizens are indifferent to the carnage around them, and instead see themselves at war with their government.
Utterly mad. There was a time when the world looked to the US as an example to follow. I’m afraid that died long ago.
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Agreed. What a way to live.S Rojeck wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 11:09 pmHarold wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 10:50 pmHorrendous massacres have been the norm for more than a decade. I oppose any legislation that further restricts access to firearms because I don't trust the government or the police. The US government is directly responsible for the deaths of millions so I oppose anything that would strengthen their power.
And here in a nutshell is why the rest of the world looks at America and thinks the country is broken and stark raving mad. Its own citizens are indifferent to the carnage around them, and instead see themselves at war with their government.
Utterly mad. There was a time when the world looked to the US as an example to follow. I’m afraid that died long ago.
It may as well be Sudan with a description like that.
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Apart from all the other BS you spouted in this, it's this statement that just sums up everything that is the problem.
So, horrendous massacres have been the norm - you only need to look at this thread - and yet, let's do nothing because it is OK - calm down, nothing to see here? I don't get it. Why not try and fix what is broke? Have a look at the twitter videos of this.
Tell me Harold, how can after seeing a young girl missing half her face as she was shot with a high powered rifle at close range not justify looking at the horrendous gun laws you have. This girl was certainly not killed by the government! Pathetic - wanker!
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My view isn’t very fascinating, I’d like guns banned completely. Failing that, can we not at least make them harder to get? No, we can’t. There’s a combination of big money behind it that fills the right pockets, and American people that believe we’re about to go to civil war and may need to take down the government.S Rojeck wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 6:22 pmThere are several American posters on 440. I would be fascinated to hear from them re their views on this. Several years ago DetroitMuscle did his best to argue for rights to have free access to assault rifles etc which is odd because he looked like he might get his neck snapped by the recoil from a potato gun.
But these neverending litany of horrendous massacres seems to go largely ignored now. It’s almost as if Americans accept it as the new normal.
Not sure how these people get through life with these warped views, and how there are so many of them.
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A spate of high-profile mass shootings in the U.S. in 2022 sparked calls for Congress to look at imposing a ban on so-called assault weapons – covering the types of guns used in both the recent Buffalo grocery attack and that on an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas.
Such a prohibition has been in place before. As President Joe Biden noted in his June 2, 2022, speech addressing gun violence, almost three decades ago bipartisan support in Congress helped push through a federal assault weapons ban in 1994, as part of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act.
That ban was limited – it covered only certain categories of semi-automatic weapons such as AR-15s and applied to a ban on sales only after the act was signed into law, allowing people to keep hold of weapons purchased before that date. And it also had in it a so-called “sunset provision” that allowed the ban to expire in 2004.
Nonetheless, the 10-year life span of that ban – with a clear beginning and end date – gives researchers the opportunity to compare what happened with mass shooting deaths before, during and after the prohibition was in place. Our group of injury epidemiologists and trauma surgeons did just that. In 2019, we published a population-based study analyzing the data in a bid to evaluate the effect that the federal ban on assault weapons had on mass shootings, defined by the FBI as a shooting with four or more fatalities, not including the shooter. Here’s what the data shows:
Before the 1994 ban:
From 1981 – the earliest year in our analysis – to the rollout of the assault weapons ban in 1994, the proportion of deaths in mass shootings in which an assault rifle was used was lower than it is today.
Yet in this earlier period, mass shooting deaths were steadily rising. Indeed, high-profile mass shootings involving assault rifles – such as the killing of five children in Stockton, California, in 1989 and a 1993 San Francisco office attack that left eight victims dead – provided the impetus behind a push for a prohibition on some types of gun.
During the 1994-2004 ban:
In the years after the assault weapons ban went into effect, the number of deaths from mass shootings fell, and the increase in the annual number of incidents slowed down. Even including 1999’s Columbine High School massacre – the deadliest mass shooting during the period of the ban – the 1994 to 2004 period saw lower average annual rates of both mass shootings and deaths resulting from such incidents than before the ban’s inception.
From 2004 onward:
The data shows an almost immediate – and steep – rise in mass shooting deaths in the years after the assault weapons ban expired in 2004.
https://theconversation.com/did-the-ass ... -us-184430
Breaking the data into absolute numbers, between 2004 and 2017 – the last year of our analysis – the average number of yearly deaths attributed to mass shootings was 25, compared with 5.3 during the 10-year tenure of the ban and 7.2 in the years leading up to the prohibition on assault weapons.
Such a prohibition has been in place before. As President Joe Biden noted in his June 2, 2022, speech addressing gun violence, almost three decades ago bipartisan support in Congress helped push through a federal assault weapons ban in 1994, as part of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act.
That ban was limited – it covered only certain categories of semi-automatic weapons such as AR-15s and applied to a ban on sales only after the act was signed into law, allowing people to keep hold of weapons purchased before that date. And it also had in it a so-called “sunset provision” that allowed the ban to expire in 2004.
Nonetheless, the 10-year life span of that ban – with a clear beginning and end date – gives researchers the opportunity to compare what happened with mass shooting deaths before, during and after the prohibition was in place. Our group of injury epidemiologists and trauma surgeons did just that. In 2019, we published a population-based study analyzing the data in a bid to evaluate the effect that the federal ban on assault weapons had on mass shootings, defined by the FBI as a shooting with four or more fatalities, not including the shooter. Here’s what the data shows:
Before the 1994 ban:
From 1981 – the earliest year in our analysis – to the rollout of the assault weapons ban in 1994, the proportion of deaths in mass shootings in which an assault rifle was used was lower than it is today.
Yet in this earlier period, mass shooting deaths were steadily rising. Indeed, high-profile mass shootings involving assault rifles – such as the killing of five children in Stockton, California, in 1989 and a 1993 San Francisco office attack that left eight victims dead – provided the impetus behind a push for a prohibition on some types of gun.
During the 1994-2004 ban:
In the years after the assault weapons ban went into effect, the number of deaths from mass shootings fell, and the increase in the annual number of incidents slowed down. Even including 1999’s Columbine High School massacre – the deadliest mass shooting during the period of the ban – the 1994 to 2004 period saw lower average annual rates of both mass shootings and deaths resulting from such incidents than before the ban’s inception.
From 2004 onward:
The data shows an almost immediate – and steep – rise in mass shooting deaths in the years after the assault weapons ban expired in 2004.
https://theconversation.com/did-the-ass ... -us-184430
Breaking the data into absolute numbers, between 2004 and 2017 – the last year of our analysis – the average number of yearly deaths attributed to mass shootings was 25, compared with 5.3 during the 10-year tenure of the ban and 7.2 in the years leading up to the prohibition on assault weapons.
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Iatrogenesis is the third-leading cause of death in the US.
Should doctors be banned?
Should doctors be banned?
Oh look - our resident conspiracy nut recently got sent to a new website for antivaxxers and learned a new word.Hot_Pink_Urinal_Mint wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 1:11 pmIatrogenesis is the third-leading cause of death in the US.
Should doctors be banned?
No. Doctors shouldn’t be banned. Because they operate under a maxim of ‘first do no harm’. Sadly, people die during surgery. Drugs have side effects. Chemo causes sickness. The medical establishment has nevertheless helped extend life and quality of life massively over the last 200 hundred years.
Guns exist purely to kill. Particularly semi automatic assault weapons. Putting them in the hands of idiots is NOT the same as deaths caused by medical intervention. To attempt to conflate the two is precisely what we have come to expect from you.
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Facts have no motivating power with extremists.
Advocating the violent overthrow of the government is called sedition, and is a felony.
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?pat ... overnment.
This was in no way the intent of the 2nd amendment.
The very conservative Howard government put a stop to this shit with the gun buyback program and you can still own a firearm if you are licensed.
Advocating the violent overthrow of the government is called sedition, and is a felony.
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?pat ... overnment.
This was in no way the intent of the 2nd amendment.
The very conservative Howard government put a stop to this shit with the gun buyback program and you can still own a firearm if you are licensed.
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look in america its not very hard to buy a gun< background checks are ONLY for licensed gun dealers>
any gun show , anyone ( i think you need be 18 in most states) can buy one< any street corner in any city in the poor section a gun coulld be brought without much hassle>
Its not the buying of guns thats the problem, it the wackos in America
BUT also saying that asault weaponssss should be banneddd for ALL public sales
BUT also saying that, gangs will still get them
on a side note
why does speeell check not work here anymoreeee??
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any gun show , anyone ( i think you need be 18 in most states) can buy one< any street corner in any city in the poor section a gun coulld be brought without much hassle>
Its not the buying of guns thats the problem, it the wackos in America
BUT also saying that asault weaponssss should be banneddd for ALL public sales
BUT also saying that, gangs will still get them
on a side note
why does speeell check not work here anymoreeee??
Using chrome and windows 11
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Spelling checker probably gave up on you Seriously, still works for me.Phuket2006 wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 3:39 pm
on a side note
why does speeell check not work here anymoreeee??
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Phuket2006 wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 3:39 pmlook in america its not very hard to buy a gun< background checks are ONLY for licensed gun dealers>
any gun show , anyone ( i think you need be 18 in most states) can buy one< any street corner in any city in the poor section a gun coulld be brought without much hassle>
Its not the buying of guns thats the problem, it the wackos in America
BUT also saying that asault weaponssss should be banneddd for ALL public sales
BUT also saying that, gangs will still get them
on a side note
why does speeell check not work here anymoreeee??
Using chrome and windows 11
If you suggest it's not buying the guns that's the problem, but the wackos, that raises all sorts of interesting questions.
If you're suggesting the US has more wackos than other countries, why is that? What set of cultural / educational / social influences have led to the US having more than its fair shy of nutjobs, and why?
Secondly, if you do have more wackos than other countries (I'm not sure you do - for every American like Harold, there's an Aussie like Hot Pink and a Brit like springrain - but that's another debate), then you quite simply HAVE to restrict guns to prevent them from wreaking havoc as they are now doing. Surely, Americans can see that? Other countries do it, and have none of these issues on this scale. Why can't American's see it? It's baffling.
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Americans can see it, but they don’t really want change, or they don’t want it enough. When voting, single issues like abortion trumps all.David Golder wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 6:18 pmWhy can't American's see it? It's baffling.Phuket2006 wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 3:39 pmlook in america its not very hard to buy a gun< background checks are ONLY for licensed gun dealers>
any gun show , anyone ( i think you need be 18 in most states) can buy one< any street corner in any city in the poor section a gun coulld be brought without much hassle>
Its not the buying of guns thats the problem, it the wackos in America
BUT also saying that asault weaponssss should be banneddd for ALL public sales
BUT also saying that, gangs will still get them
on a side note
why does speeell check not work here anymoreeee??
Using chrome and windows 11
So they obfuscate the issue, it’s not guns it’s wackos…or it’s not enough guns in the right hands…or it’s too difficult.
This is a country that put a man on the moon, but controlling the sale of guns is too difficult?
They just don’t want it. Pro-life? That’s an utter lie.
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