full story:https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/5/7 ... with-hamasIsrael has rejected a ceasefire and launched an operation in Rafah, raising fears that the war in Gaza could drag on.
Israel appears to have been blindsided by Hamas’s announcement on Monday that it had agreed to an Egyptian-Qatari ceasefire proposal. But the Israeli government quickly made its position clear – the proposal wasn’t something it would agree to, and, to make matters more explicit, its military forces took control of the Palestinian side of Egypt’s border with Gaza in Rafah.
For many analysts, the Israeli government’s message is clear: there will be no permanent ceasefire, and the devastating war on Gaza will continue.
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‘The goal is to destroy Gaza’: Why Israel rejects a ceasefire with Hamas
"We are turning into a nation of whimpering slaves to Fear—fear of war, fear of poverty, fear of random terrorism, or suddenly getting locked up in a military detention camp on vague charges of being a Terrorist sympathizer." HST
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With the Qataris, who give a home to the cowards that run Hamas. Seems like a fair deal.Skanderbeg wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 1:02 pmWith the Muslim Brotherhood mediating negotiations, what could go wrong?
Bloody Israel!! Free Palestine!
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Great deal, it's shocking how the Israelis want their hostages back alive.The Hamas proposal remakes the previous document under which Hamas was to release at least 33 living hostages in the first stage of the deal, at a rate of three hostages every three days from the first day that the deal takes effect.
In the Hamas proposal, as has been widely noted, it no longer commits to freeing 33 living hostages in the first stage — itself a concession by Israel, which had sought 40 living hostages in the first stage — but now says the 33 hostages may be “alive or dead.”
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https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/israel- ... ad-5609358Palestinian Islamist group Hamas has agreed to a three-phased deal for a ceasefire and hostages-for-prisoners swap. However, the group informed negotiators that not all hostages who would be freed in the first phase are still living.
As per the proposed three-phase ceasefire deal, Hamas will free 33 Israeli hostages, alive or dead, in return for Israel releasing 30 children and women for each released Israeli hostage, based on lists provided by Hamas according to the earliest date of detention.
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They didn’t care about Myanmar. They didn’t care about the Congo conflict. They didn’t care about Tigray which was the deadliest war of the 21st century. They didn't care about Ukraine being invaded. They didn’t care about the exodus of Armenians from Nagorno Karabakh by Azerbaijan and they certainly won’t care about Sudan. They were all asleep until October 7th and the destruction of Gaza where they awoke and suddenly cared about human rights and justice.violet wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 4:00 pmWell I like many don’t have time to commit to delving deep. Unfortunately I’m getting the shallow biased news. Way too much going on to spend time sifting unfortunately.Mike Farce wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 12:34 pmYeah, Hamas basically agreed to a truce plan that would give them everything they wanted, and Israel nothing they wanted. Israel did not agree to that. The timing looks terrible for Israel in the eyes of the uninformed and misinformed, which is a lot of people…
I did hear before these latest peace talks started that what was being put forward at the talks was something that if Hamas did not accept, it would be a clear signal that further talks would be futile.
So, uninformed me asks how it shifts from that stance to Hamas accepting something so far from what was being proposed/asked for that attacks on Rafah need to proceed.
Did they not agree to hostage release?
Sorry for having to ask. I’m interested but just don’t have time to be searching out detail. Much appreciated if someone would lay it out.
People may care but also feel powerless to help or change anything. The wars you list are mostly obscure in the context of reporting whereas the Gaza war is in your face 24/7, vivid scenes of mass destruction and filling daily news. It doesn't help if you are glued to Al Jazeera, that will turn you into either a couch jihadi or a lefty protester in no time.
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its ONLY in ur face cause they are white people and the west and Israel are buddy buddies.
Russia /Ukraine was in ur face until........
Russia /Ukraine was in ur face until........
"We are turning into a nation of whimpering slaves to Fear—fear of war, fear of poverty, fear of random terrorism, or suddenly getting locked up in a military detention camp on vague charges of being a Terrorist sympathizer." HST
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....Iran, Russian ally, distracted the naive "do-gooders" with another chapter of the endless conflict in the Middle East.Phuket2006 wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 7:01 amits ONLY in ur face cause they are white people and the west and Israel are buddy buddies.
Russia /Ukraine was in ur face until........
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Or the 350,000 killed in Yemen. Or the 500,000+ killed in Syria. No marches in London. Apparently Muslim on Muslim killings don't count. But when Israel defends itself they lose their shit. If you don't want a war then don't start one and then hide in Qatar. The bombing stops as soon as Hamas surrenders.Mike Farce wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2024 10:58 pmThey didn’t care about Myanmar. They didn’t care about the Congo conflict. They didn’t care about Tigray which was the deadliest war of the 21st century. They didn't care about Ukraine being invaded. They didn’t care about the exodus of Armenians from Nagorno Karabakh by Azerbaijan and they certainly won’t care about Sudan. They were all asleep until October 7th and the destruction of Gaza where they awoke and suddenly cared about human rights and justice.violet wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 4:00 pmWell I like many don’t have time to commit to delving deep. Unfortunately I’m getting the shallow biased news. Way too much going on to spend time sifting unfortunately.Mike Farce wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 12:34 pmYeah, Hamas basically agreed to a truce plan that would give them everything they wanted, and Israel nothing they wanted. Israel did not agree to that. The timing looks terrible for Israel in the eyes of the uninformed and misinformed, which is a lot of people…
I did hear before these latest peace talks started that what was being put forward at the talks was something that if Hamas did not accept, it would be a clear signal that further talks would be futile.
So, uninformed me asks how it shifts from that stance to Hamas accepting something so far from what was being proposed/asked for that attacks on Rafah need to proceed.
Did they not agree to hostage release?
Sorry for having to ask. I’m interested but just don’t have time to be searching out detail. Much appreciated if someone would lay it out.
The son of the Hamas leader is apparently based.
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https://www.theguardian.com/media/2005/ ... shing.iraqDylan Quint wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 1:12 amPeople may care but also feel powerless to help or change anything. The wars you list are mostly obscure in the context of reporting whereas the Gaza war is in your face 24/7, vivid scenes of mass destruction and filling daily news. It doesn't help if you are glued to Al Jazeera, that will turn you into either a couch jihadi or a lefty protester in no time.
Bush should have gone through with his plan.
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You have a point of course. People care about what they can relate to and to what feels closest to impacting them somehow - what they can most identify with. So something about this one they do care about is triggering them because they identify.Mike Farce wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2024 10:58 pmThey didn’t care about Myanmar. They didn’t care about the Congo conflict. They didn’t care about Tigray which was the deadliest war of the 21st century. They didn't care about Ukraine being invaded. They didn’t care about the exodus of Armenians from Nagorno Karabakh by Azerbaijan and they certainly won’t care about Sudan. They were all asleep until October 7th and the destruction of Gaza where they awoke and suddenly cared about human rights and justice.violet wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 4:00 pmWell I like many don’t have time to commit to delving deep. Unfortunately I’m getting the shallow biased news. Way too much going on to spend time sifting unfortunately.Mike Farce wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 12:34 pmYeah, Hamas basically agreed to a truce plan that would give them everything they wanted, and Israel nothing they wanted. Israel did not agree to that. The timing looks terrible for Israel in the eyes of the uninformed and misinformed, which is a lot of people…
I did hear before these latest peace talks started that what was being put forward at the talks was something that if Hamas did not accept, it would be a clear signal that further talks would be futile.
So, uninformed me asks how it shifts from that stance to Hamas accepting something so far from what was being proposed/asked for that attacks on Rafah need to proceed.
Did they not agree to hostage release?
Sorry for having to ask. I’m interested but just don’t have time to be searching out detail. Much appreciated if someone would lay it out.
And I don’t mean as Mr Penelope Green (they/their/them)
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Just some Hamas shooting Palestinians for taking aid that only Hamas are allowed to take:
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/s/2OhTWLT4FI
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Color me shocked. It's always the people you least expect.Mike Farce wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2024 5:06 pmJust some Hamas shooting Palestinians for taking aid that only Hamas are allowed to take:
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/s/2OhTWLT4FI
Yeah, I hope they make sure that in future more $ goes to Zelenskyangsta wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2024 10:35 pmColor me shocked. It's always the people you least expect.Mike Farce wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2024 5:06 pmJust some Hamas shooting Palestinians for taking aid that only Hamas are allowed to take:
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/s/2OhTWLT4FI