Argue in circles about British politics thread
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'kin Tories! Pandering to people's worst instincts to make some cash.
Up the workers!
A question for KFF
Is the new labour leader leftist enough or is he a traitor to true socialism?
Is the new labour leader leftist enough or is he a traitor to true socialism?
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Yes.
I must say Slavedog is taking his hero's Covid-19 infection rather well. The guy is critically ill and not even a whisper.
Too busy sobbing into his cornflakes no doubt
Up the workers!
It's called stoicism, dear KFF, give it a try some time.kungfufighter wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:19 pmYes.
I must say Slavedog is taking his hero's Covid-19 infection rather well. The guy is critically ill and not even a whisper.
Too busy sobbing into his cornflakes no doubt
TheGrimReaper wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:45 pmSlavedog, you do not belong on this forum as you talk too much sense.
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You've upgraded yourself to Stoic I see.slavedog wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:06 pmIt's called stoicism, dear KFF, give it a try some time.kungfufighter wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:19 pmYes.
I must say Slavedog is taking his hero's Covid-19 infection rather well. The guy is critically ill and not even a whisper.
Too busy sobbing into his cornflakes no doubt
Anybody who voted Tory should be eating a rather large slice of humble pie. That is if they aren't already dead.
We've known for weeks and still there's not enough kit
We have had many weeks to get ready to deal with coronavirus. It's a shame that only in the last couple of weeks things are actually happening.
I work in an East Midlands NHS hospital. From porter right up to consultant, we are concerned. There were a few days when almost all admitted patients were tested for Covid-19. Now there is just the odd couple that gets checked.
So we get people who are coughing all over everything and everyone in a four-bed bay. Some go home; suddenly, a few days on, some other patients from that bay are poorly with symptoms and get moved to side rooms.
I dread to think how many patients have been infected on the ward, and how many we have sent to their homes to infect other residents, family, their community and the people who look after them. We only get a flimsy mask and apron to look after 'awaiting results' patients.
Seems like not testing saves kit and just may get rid of the old and the weak. Staff may still be held accountable for spreading the virus! When concerns are raised, we usually hear: "We will look into it." Good luck everyone.
Lucy, NHS worker
Pandemic response is causing hidden damage
Over years of budget cuts in the NHS we have learnt to be hugely adaptable as we struggle to maintain services to our patients. From a hospital providing every specialism, we are now a Covid-19 treatment centre.
Other patients have been shipped out, and areas have gone from 'dirty' to 'clean' and back again at a moment's notice. The hospital itself is on lockdown - no one gets in without their badge.
Unlike many other hospitals who are struggling for PPE, we have demanded and got masks for all patient-facing areas - although it's been left to clinical staff to make sure maintenance and cleaners get theirs.
Of course, we are hugely worried about ventilators and intensive care provision. But what about other services, like cancer care? Breast screening is being shut down in many areas.
Much of our trauma services are being picked up by the private sector. This provision should be taken over and controlled by the National Health Service to prevent the usual profit-driven chaos we already get from Care UK and the like.
The damage this will do is entirely hidden. And we will have a hell of a fight to restore these services when this is all over!
An NHS health professional
Up the workers!
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A new poll out yesterday suggests that 100% of Tory voters over the age of 65 would rather die than have anything to do with the EU and are very happy with the government's decisions.
The health secretary, Matt Hancock, is facing fresh pressure over the protection offered to NHS staff after the European commission said the UK had been given “ample opportunity” to join an EU scheme bulk-buying masks, gowns, gloves and goggles.
After a day of confusion in Westminster over the UK’s lack of involvement in the EU’s joint procurement of equipment, a spokesman for the commission appeared to bolster the claim that ministers had taken a “political decision” to opt out.
The commission spokesman said UK representatives had been briefed on the EU plans throughout February and March when they could have signed up for the huge purchases of ventilators, laboratory supplies and personal protective equipment.
UK officials and ministers have repeatedly said the government only failed to take part in the schemes because “owing to an initial communication problem, the UK did not receive an invitation in time”.
“The UK was, as all other members of the health security committee meetings, aware of the work that was ongoing and had ample opportunity to express its wish to participate in a joint procurement if it wanted to do so. As to why it did not participate, this is obviously something on which we cannot comment.”
On Wednesday, the foreign secretary, Dominic Raab, speaking in the Commons, announced that 69 people working within the NHS had died from the coronavirus.
Composite file photos of some of the NHS workers who have died while fighting the coroanvirus pandemic in the UK ( PA )
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... ppe-scheme
Let's all give Tory voters a clap.
The health secretary, Matt Hancock, is facing fresh pressure over the protection offered to NHS staff after the European commission said the UK had been given “ample opportunity” to join an EU scheme bulk-buying masks, gowns, gloves and goggles.
After a day of confusion in Westminster over the UK’s lack of involvement in the EU’s joint procurement of equipment, a spokesman for the commission appeared to bolster the claim that ministers had taken a “political decision” to opt out.
The commission spokesman said UK representatives had been briefed on the EU plans throughout February and March when they could have signed up for the huge purchases of ventilators, laboratory supplies and personal protective equipment.
UK officials and ministers have repeatedly said the government only failed to take part in the schemes because “owing to an initial communication problem, the UK did not receive an invitation in time”.
“The UK was, as all other members of the health security committee meetings, aware of the work that was ongoing and had ample opportunity to express its wish to participate in a joint procurement if it wanted to do so. As to why it did not participate, this is obviously something on which we cannot comment.”
On Wednesday, the foreign secretary, Dominic Raab, speaking in the Commons, announced that 69 people working within the NHS had died from the coronavirus.
Composite file photos of some of the NHS workers who have died while fighting the coroanvirus pandemic in the UK ( PA )
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... ppe-scheme
Let's all give Tory voters a clap.
Up the workers!
There are now 117 health care workers who have died.
But the good news is Priti Patel has announced shop lifting crime is at its lowest ever.
HOW FUCKIN REMARKABLE AS ALL SHOPS ARE FUUUUUUCCCCCKKKKKIKIN CCLLLLOOOOOOOOSSSSSSEEEEEDDD
Rant Over.
But the good news is Priti Patel has announced shop lifting crime is at its lowest ever.
HOW FUCKIN REMARKABLE AS ALL SHOPS ARE FUUUUUUCCCCCKKKKKIKIN CCLLLLOOOOOOOOSSSSSSEEEEEDDD
Rant Over.
I can't believe what the Tories have done with the dizzy height first rate service the NHS was raised to under Blair & Brown's 13 years in office..
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Meum est propositum in taberna mori,
ut sint Guinness proxima morientis ori.
tunc cantabunt letius angelorum chori:
"Sit Deus propitius huic potatori."
ut sint Guinness proxima morientis ori.
tunc cantabunt letius angelorum chori:
"Sit Deus propitius huic potatori."
Exactly, Blair thought by throwing money at it, you would eventually get a quality.service.
"Not my circus, not my monkeys" - KiR
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Guess what? The Corona virus has become the new Brexit. Quelle suprise.
Dead in a ditch, otherwise known as a mass grave.
Coronavirus: Government testing target is ‘red herring’ say hospital chiefs
NHS Providers report claims target distracts from shortcomings in long-term strategy over virus
The report added: “The recent public focus on whether 100,000 tests will be performed on April 30 is a red herring.”
NHS Providers described the target as “arbitrary” and said it risked preventing the development of a “proper, next stage testing strategy”, adding: “It may be testing for testing’s sake.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/heal ... 91361.html
Dead in a ditch, otherwise known as a mass grave.
Coronavirus: Government testing target is ‘red herring’ say hospital chiefs
NHS Providers report claims target distracts from shortcomings in long-term strategy over virus
The report added: “The recent public focus on whether 100,000 tests will be performed on April 30 is a red herring.”
NHS Providers described the target as “arbitrary” and said it risked preventing the development of a “proper, next stage testing strategy”, adding: “It may be testing for testing’s sake.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/heal ... 91361.html
Up the workers!
So a Brexit voting patriotic British farmer hired 50 British workers to pick crops at his farm.
43 failed to turn up the next day.
What a fuckin surprise, they all went back to their council houses, complaining about Immigrants
who took their jobs.
But not to worry !!. There are plenty of former Brexit Party MEP's at a loose end, they literally wanted this to happen.
Priceless isn't it ?, " We don't want you here, fuck off.......no wait........come back ".
What a compete fuckin shitshow.
43 failed to turn up the next day.
What a fuckin surprise, they all went back to their council houses, complaining about Immigrants
who took their jobs.
But not to worry !!. There are plenty of former Brexit Party MEP's at a loose end, they literally wanted this to happen.
Priceless isn't it ?, " We don't want you here, fuck off.......no wait........come back ".
What a compete fuckin shitshow.
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I don't see any point in posting UK info about the virus in the virus thread, as the Brexit shitshow has become the Corona virus clusterfuck. The Tory party and all who supported them need to be held to account.
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Thousands of deaths have been “exported” to community settings from hospitals as a result of the NHS shutting down routine services during the coronavirus outbreak, one of Britain’s leading statisticians has said.
Professor Sir David Spiegelhalter said there had been a “staggering” 30,000 more deaths than normal in places such as care homes and private homes during the eight weeks since the coronavirus outbreak in the UK started, with only about 10,000 of those deaths attributed to Covid-19 on death certificates.
Sir David, professor of public understanding of risk at the University of Cambridge, said the latest data from the Office for National Statistics showed a decrease in non-Covid deaths in hospitals at the same time as the large rise in the community.
He said this indicated about 6,000 deaths that were “exported back to the community because of the closure of the hospitals”.
He added: “We have got a huge number of essentially unexplained extra deaths in homes and care homes. This is extraordinary. When we look back on this whole episode, this rise in non-Covid extra deaths outside hospital is something I hope will be given really severe attention, because every one of these is a story, I think, of many people who may well have lived longer had they actually got to hospital.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/heal ... 10566.html
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Thousands of deaths have been “exported” to community settings from hospitals as a result of the NHS shutting down routine services during the coronavirus outbreak, one of Britain’s leading statisticians has said.
Professor Sir David Spiegelhalter said there had been a “staggering” 30,000 more deaths than normal in places such as care homes and private homes during the eight weeks since the coronavirus outbreak in the UK started, with only about 10,000 of those deaths attributed to Covid-19 on death certificates.
Sir David, professor of public understanding of risk at the University of Cambridge, said the latest data from the Office for National Statistics showed a decrease in non-Covid deaths in hospitals at the same time as the large rise in the community.
He said this indicated about 6,000 deaths that were “exported back to the community because of the closure of the hospitals”.
He added: “We have got a huge number of essentially unexplained extra deaths in homes and care homes. This is extraordinary. When we look back on this whole episode, this rise in non-Covid extra deaths outside hospital is something I hope will be given really severe attention, because every one of these is a story, I think, of many people who may well have lived longer had they actually got to hospital.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/heal ... 10566.html
Up the workers!
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Boris Johnson’s approval rating has plunged by 20 points in four days, amid the ongoing Dominic Cummings scandal, according to new polling.
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Public opinion on both the prime minister and his government has turned rapidly after Mr Cummings admitted to having driven to Durham despite the coronavirus lockdown.
Overall government approval turned negative, to -2 per cent, according to data from polling group Savanta ComRes. That represents a drop of 16 points in just a single day.
Corbyn
Mr Johnson’s approval also turned negative as the scandal continued. it dropped from +19 per cent to -1 per cent since Friday, the same data showed.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 32471.html
It's about time. Gone by summer.
Boris Johnson’s approval rating has plunged by 20 points in four days, amid the ongoing Dominic Cummings scandal, according to new polling.
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Public opinion on both the prime minister and his government has turned rapidly after Mr Cummings admitted to having driven to Durham despite the coronavirus lockdown.
Overall government approval turned negative, to -2 per cent, according to data from polling group Savanta ComRes. That represents a drop of 16 points in just a single day.
Corbyn
Mr Johnson’s approval also turned negative as the scandal continued. it dropped from +19 per cent to -1 per cent since Friday, the same data showed.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 32471.html
It's about time. Gone by summer.
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Up the workers!
Who would have thought that a global pandemic could be bad news for the incumbent.
As for Cummings, I couldn't care less if he got the boot, but I think his opponents will have to come up with something a bit better than this. Everyone I know has been flouting the rules to some degree. The most popular transgressions include: 1) going for a non-essential drive in the country. 2) sneeking round to friend's house for a booze-up. 3) going for 'exercise' and having a totally chance meeting with a friend in a quiet corner of the meadow with a friend who coincidentally also happens to have a six pack of beers with him.
As for Cummings, I couldn't care less if he got the boot, but I think his opponents will have to come up with something a bit better than this. Everyone I know has been flouting the rules to some degree. The most popular transgressions include: 1) going for a non-essential drive in the country. 2) sneeking round to friend's house for a booze-up. 3) going for 'exercise' and having a totally chance meeting with a friend in a quiet corner of the meadow with a friend who coincidentally also happens to have a six pack of beers with him.
TheGrimReaper wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:45 pmSlavedog, you do not belong on this forum as you talk too much sense.
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