So, you would happily vote for a party that was going to build up to 10 million house in less than 10 years.?Guest wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 4:11 pmThe British working class have always been reactionary Tories, even while voting for Labour election after election, "because me dad and granddad" voted Labour. Read EP Thompson's History of the English Working Class on this. There has always been a nationalistic, anti-immigrant part of the working class psyche - especially in traditional Labour strongholds in the North.
Two things helped turn them into Conservative voters: Tory strategists recognised this phenomena (and dubbed it Workington Man) and leveraged it during the Brexit debate, and Labour voted in the wrong Miliband brother as Leader, thus paving the way for Corbyn a couple of years later.
Argue in circles about British politics thread
Eh?Dogsdick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 9:45 pmSo, you would happily vote for a party that was going to build up to 10 million house in less than 10 years.?Guest wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 4:11 pmThe British working class have always been reactionary Tories, even while voting for Labour election after election, "because me dad and granddad" voted Labour. Read EP Thompson's History of the English Working Class on this. There has always been a nationalistic, anti-immigrant part of the working class psyche - especially in traditional Labour strongholds in the North.
Two things helped turn them into Conservative voters: Tory strategists recognised this phenomena (and dubbed it Workington Man) and leveraged it during the Brexit debate, and Labour voted in the wrong Miliband brother as Leader, thus paving the way for Corbyn a couple of years later.
Why are the most asinine points always made by starting the argument with the words, “so, you . .”?
I would happily vote for a Conservative Party that was truly Conservative. This lot aren’t conservative - they are far right radicals.
My fing point was that you are spouting bollocks. If you want to know why people vote Tory, follow the money.Guest wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 11:54 pmEh?Dogsdick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 9:45 pmSo, you would happily vote for a party that was going to build up to 10 million house in less than 10 years.?Guest wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 4:11 pmThe British working class have always been reactionary Tories, even while voting for Labour election after election, "because me dad and granddad" voted Labour. Read EP Thompson's History of the English Working Class on this. There has always been a nationalistic, anti-immigrant part of the working class psyche - especially in traditional Labour strongholds in the North.
Two things helped turn them into Conservative voters: Tory strategists recognised this phenomena (and dubbed it Workington Man) and leveraged it during the Brexit debate, and Labour voted in the wrong Miliband brother as Leader, thus paving the way for Corbyn a couple of years later.
Why are the most asinine points always made by starting the argument with the words, “so, you . .”?
I would happily vote for a Conservative Party that was truly Conservative. This lot aren’t conservative - they are far right radicals.
Educate yourself. Workington man ffs
What a strange way you have of making your point.
That documentary is 38 years old. I’m not sure it tells the whole story of the state of politics in 2022 Britain.
But thanks for trying
That documentary is 38 years old. I’m not sure it tells the whole story of the state of politics in 2022 Britain.
But thanks for trying
UK economy only G7 nation to shrink in 2023 - IMF
The UK economy will shrink and perform worse than other advanced economies as the cost of living continues to hit households, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) has said.
The IMF said the economy will contract by 0.6% in 2023, rather than grow slightly as previously predicted.
It said its new forecast reflected the UK's high energy prices and financial conditions, such as high inflation.
Chancellor Jeremy Hunt said the UK outperformed many forecasts last year.
In its World Economic Outlook update, the IMF, which works to stabilise economic growth, said the UK's Gross Domestic Product (GDP) would shrink rather than grow by 0.3% this year.
It predicted the UK would be the only country - across the world's advanced and emerging economies - to suffer a year of declining GDP.
However, the IMF said in 2024 it expected UK growth to be 0.9%, up from 0.6% previously.
GDP is a measure for looking at how well, or badly, an economy is doing and in a growing economy, each quarterly GDP will be slightly bigger than the quarter before.
If a country's GDP falls for two quarters in a row, it means it is in recession and it is a sign that its economy is doing badly. Typically when a country is in recession, companies make less money and the number of people unemployed rises.
The IMF's bleak picture for the UK comes after Mr Hunt warned it was "unlikely" that there would be room for any "significant" tax cuts in the Spring Budget.
The chancellor, who has been under pressure from some in his party to cut taxes to stimulate the economy, said that a pledge to halve the rate of inflation "is the best tax cut right now".
Inflation, which is the rate at which prices rise, hit 10.5% in the 12 months to December, close to a 40-year high.
Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has pledged to halve inflation by the end of the year, although some economists have said price rises will slow without government policies, due to commodity prices and shipping costs decreasing.
Andrew Bailey, the governor of the Bank of England, said inflation is likely to fall rapidly this year as energy prices fall, but has warned a UK recession is still on the cards.
While the IMF has predicted the UK economy to contract, it forecast economic growth of 1.4% in the United States, 0.1% in Germany, 0.7% in France, 0.6% in Italy, 1.8% in Japan and 1.5% in Canada.
Hunt says significant tax cuts in Budget unlikely
Bailey: Inflation 'likely to fall rapidly'
Mr Hunt highlighted that Mr Bailey had said that any UK recession was "likely to be shallower than previously predicted", but did add the IMF's figures "confirm we are not immune to the pressures hitting nearly all advanced economies".
"Short-term challenges should not obscure our long-term prospects - the UK outperformed many forecasts last year, and if we stick to our plan to halve inflation, the UK is still predicted to grow faster than Germany and Japan over the coming years," he added.
The Treasury said since 2010, the UK had grown faster than France, Japan and Italy and that since the EU referendum in 2016, it had grown at "about the same rate as Germany".
"Cumulative growth over the 2022-24 period is predicted to be higher than Germany and Japan, and at a similar rate to the US," a spokesman said.
Economic forecasters are not always 100% right when it comes to predicting the future. The IMF has said its forecasts for growth the following year in most advanced economies like the UK's have more often than not been within about 1.5 percentage points of what actually happens.
The IMF did not mention Brexit in its report as a factor for the UK not performing as well as others. Today marks three years since the UK left the EU.
It said the rise in central banks across the world putting up interest rates to try to curb inflation and the war in Ukraine continued to "weigh on economic activity".
But it said China reopening its economy from Covid restrictions "paved the way for a faster-than-expected recovery" globally.
Overall, the IMF estimated global inflation passed its peak and will fall from 8.8% last year to 6.6% in 2023 and 4.3% in 2024.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-64452995
The UK economy will shrink and perform worse than other advanced economies as the cost of living continues to hit households, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) has said.
The IMF said the economy will contract by 0.6% in 2023, rather than grow slightly as previously predicted.
It said its new forecast reflected the UK's high energy prices and financial conditions, such as high inflation.
Chancellor Jeremy Hunt said the UK outperformed many forecasts last year.
In its World Economic Outlook update, the IMF, which works to stabilise economic growth, said the UK's Gross Domestic Product (GDP) would shrink rather than grow by 0.3% this year.
It predicted the UK would be the only country - across the world's advanced and emerging economies - to suffer a year of declining GDP.
However, the IMF said in 2024 it expected UK growth to be 0.9%, up from 0.6% previously.
GDP is a measure for looking at how well, or badly, an economy is doing and in a growing economy, each quarterly GDP will be slightly bigger than the quarter before.
If a country's GDP falls for two quarters in a row, it means it is in recession and it is a sign that its economy is doing badly. Typically when a country is in recession, companies make less money and the number of people unemployed rises.
The IMF's bleak picture for the UK comes after Mr Hunt warned it was "unlikely" that there would be room for any "significant" tax cuts in the Spring Budget.
The chancellor, who has been under pressure from some in his party to cut taxes to stimulate the economy, said that a pledge to halve the rate of inflation "is the best tax cut right now".
Inflation, which is the rate at which prices rise, hit 10.5% in the 12 months to December, close to a 40-year high.
Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has pledged to halve inflation by the end of the year, although some economists have said price rises will slow without government policies, due to commodity prices and shipping costs decreasing.
Andrew Bailey, the governor of the Bank of England, said inflation is likely to fall rapidly this year as energy prices fall, but has warned a UK recession is still on the cards.
While the IMF has predicted the UK economy to contract, it forecast economic growth of 1.4% in the United States, 0.1% in Germany, 0.7% in France, 0.6% in Italy, 1.8% in Japan and 1.5% in Canada.
Hunt says significant tax cuts in Budget unlikely
Bailey: Inflation 'likely to fall rapidly'
Mr Hunt highlighted that Mr Bailey had said that any UK recession was "likely to be shallower than previously predicted", but did add the IMF's figures "confirm we are not immune to the pressures hitting nearly all advanced economies".
"Short-term challenges should not obscure our long-term prospects - the UK outperformed many forecasts last year, and if we stick to our plan to halve inflation, the UK is still predicted to grow faster than Germany and Japan over the coming years," he added.
The Treasury said since 2010, the UK had grown faster than France, Japan and Italy and that since the EU referendum in 2016, it had grown at "about the same rate as Germany".
"Cumulative growth over the 2022-24 period is predicted to be higher than Germany and Japan, and at a similar rate to the US," a spokesman said.
Economic forecasters are not always 100% right when it comes to predicting the future. The IMF has said its forecasts for growth the following year in most advanced economies like the UK's have more often than not been within about 1.5 percentage points of what actually happens.
The IMF did not mention Brexit in its report as a factor for the UK not performing as well as others. Today marks three years since the UK left the EU.
It said the rise in central banks across the world putting up interest rates to try to curb inflation and the war in Ukraine continued to "weigh on economic activity".
But it said China reopening its economy from Covid restrictions "paved the way for a faster-than-expected recovery" globally.
Overall, the IMF estimated global inflation passed its peak and will fall from 8.8% last year to 6.6% in 2023 and 4.3% in 2024.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-64452995
Today is the third anniversary of the U.K. leaving the U.K. to mark the occasion a survey was done in every constituency in the country asking a simple question: was it right or wrong to leave the EU.
In every single constituency bar three people say it was a mistake. In two of those three it was split 50-50. In only one do people think leaving was a good idea.
Weirdly those three areas were all in Lincolnshire and the one supportive area was Skegness, a decrepit seaside town for chavs and one of the most deprived areas of the country.
In every single constituency bar three people say it was a mistake. In two of those three it was split 50-50. In only one do people think leaving was a good idea.
Weirdly those three areas were all in Lincolnshire and the one supportive area was Skegness, a decrepit seaside town for chavs and one of the most deprived areas of the country.
When did the UK leave the UK. Is that even possible?Guest wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 12:15 amToday is the third anniversary of the U.K. leaving the U.K. to mark the occasion a survey was done in every constituency in the country asking a simple question: was it right or wrong to leave the EU.
In every single constituency bar three people say it was a mistake. In two of those three it was split 50-50. In only one do people think leaving was a good idea.
Weirdly those three areas were all in Lincolnshire and the one supportive area was Skegness, a decrepit seaside town for chavs and one of the most deprived areas of the country.
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Given that he started the post with " Today is the third anniversary" and it is the 3rd anniversary of a topic you have shared your intelligence on at least 100 times, I was initially surprised that you failed to connect the dots. Then I remembered that connecting dots is not taught until after children stop playing with crayons.YaTingPom wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 7:58 amWhen did the UK leave the UK. Is that even possible?Guest wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 12:15 amToday is the third anniversary of the U.K. leaving the U.K. to mark the occasion a survey was done in every constituency in the country asking a simple question: was it right or wrong to leave the EU.
In every single constituency bar three people say it was a mistake. In two of those three it was split 50-50. In only one do people think leaving was a good idea.
Weirdly those three areas were all in Lincolnshire and the one supportive area was Skegness, a decrepit seaside town for chavs and one of the most deprived areas of the country.
I know you think you are smart but you are not. You just come across as a miserable, humourless German who likes to try and belittle everyone, you probably do it to the people you care about and don't realise.Anthony's Wiener wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 12:59 pmGiven that he started the post with " Today is the third anniversary" and it is the 3rd anniversary of a topic you have shared your intelligence on at least 100 times, I was initially surprised that you failed to connect the dots. Then I remembered that connecting dots is not taught until after children stop playing with crayons.YaTingPom wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 7:58 amWhen did the UK leave the UK. Is that even possible?Guest wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 12:15 amToday is the third anniversary of the U.K. leaving the U.K. to mark the occasion a survey was done in every constituency in the country asking a simple question: was it right or wrong to leave the EU.
In every single constituency bar three people say it was a mistake. In two of those three it was split 50-50. In only one do people think leaving was a good idea.
Weirdly those three areas were all in Lincolnshire and the one supportive area was Skegness, a decrepit seaside town for chavs and one of the most deprived areas of the country.
Lighten up!
It was a joke!
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The irony of whinging about belittling and at the same time belittling. The man that refers to others as cunt over 50 times needs a warm blanket to sooth his discomfort?YaTingPom wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 1:07 pmI know you think you are smart but you are not. You just come across as a miserable, humourless German who likes to try and belittle everyone, you probably do it to the people you care about and don't realise.Anthony's Wiener wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 12:59 pmGiven that he started the post with " Today is the third anniversary" and it is the 3rd anniversary of a topic you have shared your intelligence on at least 100 times, I was initially surprised that you failed to connect the dots. Then I remembered that connecting dots is not taught until after children stop playing with crayons.YaTingPom wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 7:58 amWhen did the UK leave the UK. Is that even possible?Guest wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 12:15 amToday is the third anniversary of the U.K. leaving the U.K. to mark the occasion a survey was done in every constituency in the country asking a simple question: was it right or wrong to leave the EU.
In every single constituency bar three people say it was a mistake. In two of those three it was split 50-50. In only one do people think leaving was a good idea.
Weirdly those three areas were all in Lincolnshire and the one supportive area was Skegness, a decrepit seaside town for chavs and one of the most deprived areas of the country.
Lighten up!
It was a joke!
It was a joke as well my thin skinned friend. Everyone is well aware your crayon days are long, long past.
As to your opinion that I come across as a German, I assure you that English is my mother tongue.
Your need to express what you think I come across made me ponder though only momentarily what you come across.
The most likely answer of course is your keyboard.
Just a joke, no need to reply
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For those of us not born into the lower working class of the UK in the early 1970's Joey Deacon... was insult of choice for playground bullies. Joey Deacon had cerebral palsy and was an author and tv personality. In 1981 he appeared on Blue Peter and because of his spastic speech patterns his name became the favored taunt of of the pudgy, pasty faced playground bully.
These witless boys have grown to physical adulthood now and most upon reflection realize that an elderly, long institutionalized man who suffers from a disability and yet overcame his impediments to become a successful author / tv personality is really a hollow insult as well as being extremely distasteful.
Sadly, some of the witless cunts have not reached that level of introspection.
The funny thing is Joey had normal intelligence and that his book was the impetus for a overhaul of the UK's archaic warehousing of people with disabilities. Royalties from his two books are still donated to centers for people with disabilities.
I can't help but wonder what level of success in life the little scumbags that used his name as an insult attained.
Very limited likely.
These witless boys have grown to physical adulthood now and most upon reflection realize that an elderly, long institutionalized man who suffers from a disability and yet overcame his impediments to become a successful author / tv personality is really a hollow insult as well as being extremely distasteful.
Sadly, some of the witless cunts have not reached that level of introspection.
The funny thing is Joey had normal intelligence and that his book was the impetus for a overhaul of the UK's archaic warehousing of people with disabilities. Royalties from his two books are still donated to centers for people with disabilities.
I can't help but wonder what level of success in life the little scumbags that used his name as an insult attained.
Very limited likely.
Hmm, never used it as an insult to bully. It was used as a jab at mates “You big Joey” etc.
Obviously it had a very different impact on you it seems. Still wounded by it, all this time later.
Wow.
You said cunt, by the way.
You must be getting a bit angry and upset.
You Mong.
Obviously it had a very different impact on you it seems. Still wounded by it, all this time later.
Wow.
You said cunt, by the way.
You must be getting a bit angry and upset.
You Mong.
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The reply without quoting, the standard practice of the coward.YaTingPom wrote: ↑Wed Feb 01, 2023 10:09 pmHmm, never used it as an insult to bully. It was used as a jab at mates “You big Joey” etc.
Obviously it had a very different impact on you it seems. Still wounded by it, all this time later.
Wow.
You said cunt, by the way.
You must be getting a bit angry and upset.
You Mong.
I have no doubt your friends were not offended. Consider the source, it would be like your Prince Andrew calling someone a nonce.
Gagging and cuckolding are the 4th and 7th most popular fetishes in the UK. It is impressive to a Brit that needs only 2 drunk males to get himself off
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