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It seems like both sides have white supremacist Nazis working for them, LOL
Only black Russian one is likely to see is in a bar.
Only black Russian one is likely to see is in a bar.
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https://www.the-sun.com/news/5278291/pu ... ke-island/
VLADIMIR Putin's new flagship is on fire after being hit by a missile off the coast of Snake Island, Ukrainian officials have claimed.
The 409ft Admiral Makarov has reportedly been struck by the same Neptune missiles that sunk the Russian missile cruiser Moskva in the Black Sea last month.
Ukraine is said to have harassed the 611ft vessel with a drone as a distraction before striking the with two cruise missiles.
The Russian ministry of defence said explosions ripped through the ammunition stores triggering a major blaze.
VLADIMIR Putin's new flagship is on fire after being hit by a missile off the coast of Snake Island, Ukrainian officials have claimed.
The 409ft Admiral Makarov has reportedly been struck by the same Neptune missiles that sunk the Russian missile cruiser Moskva in the Black Sea last month.
Ukraine is said to have harassed the 611ft vessel with a drone as a distraction before striking the with two cruise missiles.
The Russian ministry of defence said explosions ripped through the ammunition stores triggering a major blaze.
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Very interesting exchange here:
Freedom is not a state. It is an act. It is not some enchanted garden perched high on a distant plateau.. Freedom is a continuous action we all must take, and each generation must do its part to create an even more fair, more just society.-John Lewis
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Identifying individuals within Wagner or Azov that are extreme-right wing is one thing, to subsequently assume they are the norm is, quite frankly, lazy. There are a small number of people in every county who believe the Earth is flat.ball and chain wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 3:09 pmIt seems like both sides have white supremacist Nazis working for them, LOL
Only black Russian one is likely to see is in a bar.
Consistent and prevalent behaviour that is not addressed by senior commanders is the issue. The treatment of captured combatants by Russian forces is one issue, the treatment of pro-Russian civilians by Ukrainian forces is another.
Look past the headlines and see what is being condoned (or ignored) and what is being addressed.
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Your post is just bizarre, not to mention the whataboutism and using Wikipedia as a source for an incredibly complex history that goes back to WW2.Lucky Lucan wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 12:00 pmThe Wiki page clearly states that the unit had far-right roots but neo-Nazi members have been rooted out since. Putin has the Wagner Group working for him:rikkitikki wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 4:57 amSome facts about the Azov Battalion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion
Their logo looks a bit familiar, was Putin right?
If Zelensky doesn't support neo-Nazis, why does this unit exist?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_GroupThe Wagner Group itself was first active in 2014, along with Utkin, in the Luhansk region of Ukraine. The company's name comes from Utkin's own call sign "Wagner", reportedly after the German composer Richard Wagner, which he is said to have chosen due to his passion for the Third Reich (Wagner being Adolf Hitler's favorite composer). As such, some believe him to be a neo-Nazi, with The Economist reporting that Utkin has several Nazi tattoos.
Here's their founder, Dmitriy Valeryevich Utkin:
Notice the SS and Nazi eagle tattoos?
Not only was Modern Russia built on the memory of the 27 million that died in the Great Patriotic War against the Nazis but you also don't understand that Nazi racism wasn't just restricted to Jews - anti-Russian (Slavs) hatred was a major driver for Hitler to invade and attempt to annex the USSR.
You are also ignoring the crimes of the Banderites and the role of Andriy Biletsky, the "The White Führer." Ukrainian school books have been re-written in the last 30 years to teach children that the Nazis liberated them from the Russians, this is also taught in Latvia.
Even here in Georgia you can see a lot of swastikas' spray painted on walls and buildings but maybe more disturbing is that no one seems concerned about removing them.
Hot_Pink_Urinal_Mint wrote: ↑Sat May 07, 2022 1:02 amUkrainian school books have been re-written in the last 30 years to teach children that the Nazis liberated them from the Russians, this is also taught in Latvia.
This is a common trope circulating on far right and pro-Russian social networking sites. According to a Ukrainian friend of mine - at school 20 years ago - it’s completely untrue.
The same friend tells me that it’s undeniable the Azores battalion has deep far right roots. But then of course it would be hard to find any armed battalion which doesn’t.
For the time being they are prepared to put those issues to one side, largely because they are fighting an aggressive invader. Sometimes you need to side with people you don’t support, even revile, if they are defending your country and your people from illegal aggressors.
For the time being they are prepared to put those issues to one side, largely because they are fighting an aggressive invader. Sometimes you need to side with people you don’t support, even revile, if they are defending your country and your people from illegal aggressors.
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The Ukrainian momentum around Kharkiv appears to have become a counter-offensive. It's scope remains unclear, however several villages were retaken.
The US stated over 200 Ukrainians have completed training on the howitzer systems. There are no reports I am aware of regarding their use in combat and it is unclear as to how long it will take units to become proficient.
The US stated over 200 Ukrainians have completed training on the howitzer systems. There are no reports I am aware of regarding their use in combat and it is unclear as to how long it will take units to become proficient.
The west, particularly the US, seem to be increasing munitions deliveries to Ukraine, much to Putin's condemnation. Isn't this really becoming the west versus Russia and at what point will Putin feel he has no alternative but to go full monty?
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The poster I was responding to used Wikipedia as a source.Hot_Pink_Urinal_Mint wrote: ↑Sat May 07, 2022 1:02 am
Your post is just bizarre, not to mention the whataboutism and using Wikipedia as a source for an incredibly complex history that goes back to WW2.
What makes you think I didn't know that? What I don't understand is how Putin has neo-Nazis working for his own nefarious purposes while accusing Ukrainians of being the same.Not only was Modern Russia built on the memory of the 27 million that died in the Great Patriotic War against the Nazis but you also don't understand that Nazi racism wasn't just restricted to Jews - anti-Russian (Slavs) hatred was a major driver for Hitler to invade and attempt to annex the USSR.
How is an organization from 80 years ago relevant to the current Russian invasion and destruction of Ukraine? That's nonsense about it being taught at schools. You are just repeating Russian propaganda.You are also ignoring the crimes of the Banderites and the role of Andriy Biletsky, the "The White Führer." Ukrainian school books have been re-written in the last 30 years to teach children that the Nazis liberated them from the Russians, this is also taught in Latvia.
Maybe Putin should invade Georgia again because some vandals sprayed on walls.Even here in Georgia you can see a lot of swastikas' spray painted on walls and buildings but maybe more disturbing is that no one seems concerned about removing them.
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Highly unlikely and I believe the west’s ratcheting up of pressure is based on pretty solid intelligence about Russia’s real military capability. They would not be rolling these dice if they weren’t confident Russia has little ability to go full Monty.Dylan Quint wrote: ↑Sat May 07, 2022 6:57 amThe west, particularly the US, seem to be increasing munitions deliveries to Ukraine, much to Putin's condemnation. Isn't this really becoming the west versus Russia and at what point will Putin feel he has no alternative but to go full monty?
We’ve already got damning evidence of the quality of Russian military equipment. It’s truly woeful. Old, out of date and barely functioning. Farmers are stealing their tanks.
Are we really to believe their nuclear Arsenal is fit for purpose?
There is one lasting legacy from this war: the myth of Russian military might is laid to rest forever. They have destroyed their status as a world superpower.
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My simplistic view-
Surely, in a genuinely free and democratic country, to an extent, many viewpoints will exist, and many differing groups will clash at times.
But, in a state where democracy is based on a single party, holding power for decades either unopposed or by manipulation of the system, the concept of having broad viewpoints is going to be skewed.
Now with a war in all but name, started by a larger aggressor, and being ably handled (though possibly at the limit of their capability) by the defending nation, anyone who has a vested interest in the survival of the country is going to contribute.
If the same were happening in the US, I’m sure the KKK would not be actively denied participation.
What’s essential when the shooting war is over, is that extremist views are not able to turn the whole country in another direction. Which, as this drags on, is a genuine risk.
Defence and sacrifice may lead to attrocities perpetrated by the defenders; either elements of the more extreme parties, or simply individuals who have lost everything, and hatred becomes deep seated.
History has examples of this on every continent.
Hopefully, Ukraine can maintain the moral high ground. They also need to be assisted to get this over with. And before jingoistic support is drummed up in Russia, the average Russians start to get a grip on a country that’s still living in a past over 4 decades old.
With Kadyrov supporting Russia (a bit of a turncoat)and reports of shooting Russians from behind for not fighting hard enough, fortunately there’s still a chance of the Russian public to start to really question why.
Surely, in a genuinely free and democratic country, to an extent, many viewpoints will exist, and many differing groups will clash at times.
But, in a state where democracy is based on a single party, holding power for decades either unopposed or by manipulation of the system, the concept of having broad viewpoints is going to be skewed.
Now with a war in all but name, started by a larger aggressor, and being ably handled (though possibly at the limit of their capability) by the defending nation, anyone who has a vested interest in the survival of the country is going to contribute.
If the same were happening in the US, I’m sure the KKK would not be actively denied participation.
What’s essential when the shooting war is over, is that extremist views are not able to turn the whole country in another direction. Which, as this drags on, is a genuine risk.
Defence and sacrifice may lead to attrocities perpetrated by the defenders; either elements of the more extreme parties, or simply individuals who have lost everything, and hatred becomes deep seated.
History has examples of this on every continent.
Hopefully, Ukraine can maintain the moral high ground. They also need to be assisted to get this over with. And before jingoistic support is drummed up in Russia, the average Russians start to get a grip on a country that’s still living in a past over 4 decades old.
With Kadyrov supporting Russia (a bit of a turncoat)and reports of shooting Russians from behind for not fighting hard enough, fortunately there’s still a chance of the Russian public to start to really question why.
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