Solomon Islands China security pact
Solomon Islands China security pact
Not getting much attention in the western media but the case is significant.The Solomon Ilands, just about 2000 km north of Australia has US and AUS drawing red lines. The warning is straight forward: don't let china build any mil.Base there or.... we will respond in kind.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... rade-blame
Hypocrisy pure? because at the current War in Ukraine the same leaders incl. EU claimed that it was every country's own right to choose which mil. alliances (I.e. NATO) it would take. Now with the Solomon Islands choice to side with China that seems to be no longer true. But welcoming NATO Troops in Ukraine is legit ?
Many of us westerners are not very familiar with the Solomon Islands History so i recommend to have a look before you make your own judgement:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon_Islands
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... rade-blame
Hypocrisy pure? because at the current War in Ukraine the same leaders incl. EU claimed that it was every country's own right to choose which mil. alliances (I.e. NATO) it would take. Now with the Solomon Islands choice to side with China that seems to be no longer true. But welcoming NATO Troops in Ukraine is legit ?
Many of us westerners are not very familiar with the Solomon Islands History so i recommend to have a look before you make your own judgement:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon_Islands
A common sense analysis here:
https://devpolicy.org/solomons-security ... -20220423/
Haven't the US got about 60 overseas military bases closer to China than the Solomons are to Aus anyway?
https://devpolicy.org/solomons-security ... -20220423/
Haven't the US got about 60 overseas military bases closer to China than the Solomons are to Aus anyway?
I personally think military alliances and new bases should all be banned from expanding/being added. Ukraine, Cambodia, Solomon Islands.
But that will never happen as long as UNO has no teeth.
But that will never happen as long as UNO has no teeth.
The aussies will be hand cutting sugar cane & picking bananas for the solomonese, mining gold nuggets for the chinese & knitting pure merino wool dick warmers for the russians in the coming new world order.
Straya needs to be careful here as an over reaction will escalate the situation. China is wanting to poke Straya's eyes out the first chance it gets.
China will do what it wants, just as Putin has done and the impotent west can only watch. Like I've said before, the likes of Marvin need to take a crash course in Mandarin.
China will do what it wants, just as Putin has done and the impotent west can only watch. Like I've said before, the likes of Marvin need to take a crash course in Mandarin.
I think there was a coup a few months ago. I remember watching a youtube video about the country after reading a headline and realizing that I knew next to nothing about the Solomon Islands.
I wonder what gavinmac thinks of the country.
I wonder what gavinmac thinks of the country.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Solo ... nds_unrest
The 2021 Solomon Islands unrest was a series of demonstrations and violent riots in Solomon Islands from 24 to 27 November 2021.
It started off as a peaceful protest against the government's decision to recognize China over Taiwan. However, it turned out violent as protesters attempted to storm Parliament to depose Prime Minister Sogavare. Businesses, mainly in Honiara's Chinatown district, were burnt and looted. A police station was set on fire.
The government responded by deploying the police in which they used tear gas on the protesters. They also requested the Australian Government for support. As a result, Australia deployed the Australian Federal Police and Defence Force. Papua New Guinea and Fiji dispatched peacekeepers while New Zealand deployed police and troops.
Prime Minister Sogavare resisted calls to resign, saying that the decision is upon the floor of parliament. A no confidence motion was signed by an opposition member; however, it was defeated in parliament on 6 December 2021 as lawmakers voted to keep the Prime Minister in power.
Solomon Islands had historically been in a state of ethnic conflict until 2003, when Australia deployed a peacekeeping mission.[5] The residents of Malaita, the nation's most populous island, have often complained that their island is neglected by the central government.[6]
In 2019, the central government under Prime Minister Manasseh Sogavare withdrew recognition of the Republic of China (Taiwan) and established relations with the mainland People's Republic of China. Malaita Province, however, continued to be supported by Taiwan and the United States, the latter sending US$25 million of aid to the island in 2020.[7] The premier of Malaita Province, Daniel Suidani, also held an independence referendum in 2020 which the national government has dismissed as illegitimate.[8] Rising unemployment and poverty, worsened by the border closure during the COVID-19 pandemic, have also been cited as a cause of the unrest.[9] Chinese businesses were also accused of giving jobs to foreigners instead of locals.[10]
The protests were initially peaceful on 24 November,[11] with members of the group "Malaita for Democracy" gathering to protest the Solomon Islands Government's decision to recognize China over Taiwan.[12] They called on Prime Minister Sogavare to address them. After failing to meet with them, witnesses reported that protests turned violent.[13] Protestors attempted to storm the parliament building to depose the Prime Minister. A 36-hour lockdown was issued, but was defied by protestors on 25 November, when a crowd took to the streets of Honiara's Chinatown.[14] Buildings adjoining the Solomon Islands Parliament Building burnt to the ground. A police station and businesses were set on fire.[14][15] Police fired upon protesters with tear gas.[11][16]
The 2021 Solomon Islands unrest was a series of demonstrations and violent riots in Solomon Islands from 24 to 27 November 2021.
It started off as a peaceful protest against the government's decision to recognize China over Taiwan. However, it turned out violent as protesters attempted to storm Parliament to depose Prime Minister Sogavare. Businesses, mainly in Honiara's Chinatown district, were burnt and looted. A police station was set on fire.
The government responded by deploying the police in which they used tear gas on the protesters. They also requested the Australian Government for support. As a result, Australia deployed the Australian Federal Police and Defence Force. Papua New Guinea and Fiji dispatched peacekeepers while New Zealand deployed police and troops.
Prime Minister Sogavare resisted calls to resign, saying that the decision is upon the floor of parliament. A no confidence motion was signed by an opposition member; however, it was defeated in parliament on 6 December 2021 as lawmakers voted to keep the Prime Minister in power.
Solomon Islands had historically been in a state of ethnic conflict until 2003, when Australia deployed a peacekeeping mission.[5] The residents of Malaita, the nation's most populous island, have often complained that their island is neglected by the central government.[6]
In 2019, the central government under Prime Minister Manasseh Sogavare withdrew recognition of the Republic of China (Taiwan) and established relations with the mainland People's Republic of China. Malaita Province, however, continued to be supported by Taiwan and the United States, the latter sending US$25 million of aid to the island in 2020.[7] The premier of Malaita Province, Daniel Suidani, also held an independence referendum in 2020 which the national government has dismissed as illegitimate.[8] Rising unemployment and poverty, worsened by the border closure during the COVID-19 pandemic, have also been cited as a cause of the unrest.[9] Chinese businesses were also accused of giving jobs to foreigners instead of locals.[10]
The protests were initially peaceful on 24 November,[11] with members of the group "Malaita for Democracy" gathering to protest the Solomon Islands Government's decision to recognize China over Taiwan.[12] They called on Prime Minister Sogavare to address them. After failing to meet with them, witnesses reported that protests turned violent.[13] Protestors attempted to storm the parliament building to depose the Prime Minister. A 36-hour lockdown was issued, but was defied by protestors on 25 November, when a crowd took to the streets of Honiara's Chinatown.[14] Buildings adjoining the Solomon Islands Parliament Building burnt to the ground. A police station and businesses were set on fire.[14][15] Police fired upon protesters with tear gas.[11][16]
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A spew of unfiltered thoughts should anyone care to listen to a pretty average citizen.
I find myself conflicted. I see the perspective of wanting to keep the region secure and maintain a status quo - I’m comfortably white and upper lower class.
Equally, I totally see the complete hypocrisy of Australia/USA.
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Why wouldn’t another country attempt dominance if they could - just as Australia/USA do? Why wouldn’t I want to avoid dominance by a different country (if we follow things to the logical conclusion posed by Australia/USA)? I don’t particularly want a Chinese way of life where people sychophantcly support the government and think the level of surveillance they live with is just for their own good (I’m aware that Australia isn’t so far removed).
having said that about a Chinese way of life, I’m not a fan of the current situation in Western countries either. I did, after all, choose Cambodia as an escape from what I saw happening in the UK.
Just because they (lnp and labour parties in Australia) are hypocrites, why would I choose to say ‘stop and just let things play out’ until it’s too late to prevent Chinese dominance?
Scaremongering to maintain (perception of) control? Sure. I even understand that I’m being sucked in by a hint of fear. But, with Russia’s recent choices, why would I risk being on the receiving end from China, or even being ‘victimised’ by soft culture if not by bombs? Why would I choose to risk being the frog in the slowly heating pot?
It seems to me someone/country has to be dominant because if not, someone else/another country will if given half a chance. Why would it be a better choice to sit back, relax, shrug off the scare mongering and see what happens? I think there has to be some chest beating (at least I currently think that). I do not believe for a second that harmony between various countries/groups will exist.
I’ve commented more from the ‘fearful’ perspective but I really do see that Australia is saying it’s okay for them but not for Russia.
I would like to be able to find my way out of the uncomfortable <what’s the term - old brain> that I find myself in. Caught between two perspectives that cannot exist in harmony and cause <that term>.
The mind is not a vessel to be filled, but a fire to be kindled.
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violet, it's human nature. Greed, the love of money. We've had many years of western dominance, now things are changing, and the previous winners are kicking and screaming
You wrote: 'I don’t particularly want a Chinese way of life where people sychophantcly support the government and think the level of surveillance they live with is just for their own good'
London is one of the most monitored cities on earth, and I'm pretty sure Americans have no idea how monitored they are. London ranks THIRD in the world in this survey: https://www.usnews.com/news/cities/arti ... -the-world (but bear in mind it's written by American serfs) The CIA tapped Angela Merkel's phone, and the phones of other EU leaders. Ignorance is bliss
China lifted 1 BILLION people out of poverty, a feat NO western country has ever achieved. https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press ... experience
One needs to ask oneself: should we strive to improve the lot of everybody, or should individuals and corporations cut their throats in the race to make more money?
We need a balance between capitalism and the need for a social system that looks after the majority, something so-called democracies are sorely lacking, despite their definitions of democracy and their theatrical championing of that charade
You wrote: 'I don’t particularly want a Chinese way of life where people sychophantcly support the government and think the level of surveillance they live with is just for their own good'
London is one of the most monitored cities on earth, and I'm pretty sure Americans have no idea how monitored they are. London ranks THIRD in the world in this survey: https://www.usnews.com/news/cities/arti ... -the-world (but bear in mind it's written by American serfs) The CIA tapped Angela Merkel's phone, and the phones of other EU leaders. Ignorance is bliss
China lifted 1 BILLION people out of poverty, a feat NO western country has ever achieved. https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press ... experience
One needs to ask oneself: should we strive to improve the lot of everybody, or should individuals and corporations cut their throats in the race to make more money?
We need a balance between capitalism and the need for a social system that looks after the majority, something so-called democracies are sorely lacking, despite their definitions of democracy and their theatrical championing of that charade
United States to invite Pacific leaders to White House, ramp up diplomatic ties
Expect more US armtwisting on the remaining "free pacific islander nations"
New Zealand always has the most practical approach and won't be lured into the next conflict in the Pacific.
https://www.reuters.com/world/united-st ... 022-05-02/
Expect more US armtwisting on the remaining "free pacific islander nations"
New Zealand always has the most practical approach and won't be lured into the next conflict in the Pacific.
https://www.reuters.com/world/united-st ... 022-05-02/
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