That's not true. You are talking about the Congo Free State which was privately colonized by King Leopold II. After the excesses of the colony were exposed by Roger Casement the Belgian state took over and it became the Belgian Congo in 1908.simplyirresistable wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 7:46 pm
Belgium was the worst coloniser of the lot, they killed up to 15 million (estimates vary between 12 and 15m) in the Belgian Congo alone!
UK deporting non-whites to Rwanda, keeping Ukrainians
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Romantic Cambodia is dead and gone. It's with McKinley in the grave.
You are correct but I don't see why the distinction you are making is important.Lucky Lucan wrote: ↑Sat Jun 11, 2022 3:53 pmThat's not true. You are talking about the Congo Free State which was privately colonized by King Leopold II. After the excesses of the colony were exposed by Roger Casement the Belgian state took over and it became the Belgian Congo in 1908.simplyirresistable wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 7:46 pm
Belgium was the worst coloniser of the lot, they killed up to 15 million (estimates vary between 12 and 15m) in the Belgian Congo alone!
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Because it is being blamed on Belgium rather than the individual who acted independently.
Romantic Cambodia is dead and gone. It's with McKinley in the grave.
Did that individual personally kill those people, or was it his fellow Belgians?Lucky Lucan wrote: ↑Sat Jun 11, 2022 5:14 pmBecause it is being blamed on Belgium rather than the individual who acted independently.
What about Hitler? Why do ze Germany still have to live with what one person did?
Who was Austrian.
East India Trading company. Britain or one individual bloke?
Putin. One man many (allegedly) atrocities?
Pol Pot, etc etc.
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Many Ukrainians have arrived in Australia since the war started. Not one suggestion that they are economic migrants choosing benefits far above safety. Not one comment of that type anywhere in the mediaAnthony's Wiener wrote: ↑Thu Jun 09, 2022 6:29 amAsylum seeker or economic migrant? Asylum shoopers choose the country that offers the best benefits not the first safe place. The gentleman obviously did not arrive in the UK directly from the Balkan countries and passed through democracies that while safe did not meet his liking.
He is not seeking safety, he is seeking benefits far above that. A man suffering from famine refusing a meal because he wants dessert and wine with it.
UK pensioners received a $20 increase per fortnight in these inflationary times and the UK's obligation is to them first.
They don’t have a muddy skin colour and were assisted to get visas. That seems to make it ok
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The big difference I can see with demographic of Ukrainian refugees is, there seems to be far more women and children in the group compared to other unfortunates looking for safety for example Syrians.violet wrote: ↑Sat Jun 11, 2022 11:57 pmMany Ukrainians have arrived in Australia since the war started. Not one suggestion that they are economic migrants choosing benefits far above safety. Not one comment of that type anywhere in the mediaAnthony's Wiener wrote: ↑Thu Jun 09, 2022 6:29 amAsylum seeker or economic migrant? Asylum shoopers choose the country that offers the best benefits not the first safe place. The gentleman obviously did not arrive in the UK directly from the Balkan countries and passed through democracies that while safe did not meet his liking.
He is not seeking safety, he is seeking benefits far above that. A man suffering from famine refusing a meal because he wants dessert and wine with it.
UK pensioners received a $20 increase per fortnight in these inflationary times and the UK's obligation is to them first.
They don’t have a muddy skin colour and were assisted to get visas. That seems to make it ok
Syrian men left their families at home to seek safety overseas and the Ukrainian men are the complete opposite.
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Valid pointFrycek Edzio wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 1:12 amThe big difference I can see with demographic of Ukrainian refugees is, there seems to be far more women and children in the group compared to other unfortunates looking for safety for example Syrians.violet wrote: ↑Sat Jun 11, 2022 11:57 pmMany Ukrainians have arrived in Australia since the war started. Not one suggestion that they are economic migrants choosing benefits far above safety. Not one comment of that type anywhere in the mediaAnthony's Wiener wrote: ↑Thu Jun 09, 2022 6:29 amAsylum seeker or economic migrant? Asylum shoopers choose the country that offers the best benefits not the first safe place. The gentleman obviously did not arrive in the UK directly from the Balkan countries and passed through democracies that while safe did not meet his liking.
He is not seeking safety, he is seeking benefits far above that. A man suffering from famine refusing a meal because he wants dessert and wine with it.
UK pensioners received a $20 increase per fortnight in these inflationary times and the UK's obligation is to them first.
They don’t have a muddy skin colour and were assisted to get visas. That seems to make it ok
Syrian men left their families at home to seek safety overseas and the Ukrainian men are the complete opposite.
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Ukrainian men between the ages of 18 and 60 were forbidden to leave the country, the major reason why.Frycek Edzio wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 1:12 amSyrian men left their families at home to seek safety overseas and the Ukrainian men are the complete opposite.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/20 ... men-leave/
So yes, there is some national pride, but don't believe all the hype, and tbh, such an act is not indicative of a democracy, but it's not fashionable to point that out, elephant in room
That's like calling Zimbabwe Rhodesia. Everybody knows which country we're referring to. Leopold used state resources and personnel to enforce his draconian rule, cutting off workersLucky Lucan wrote: ↑Sat Jun 11, 2022 3:53 pmThat's not true. You are talking about the Congo Free State which was privately colonized by King Leopold II. After the excesses of the colony were exposed by Roger Casement the Belgian state took over and it became the Belgian Congo in 1908.simplyirresistable wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 7:46 pm
Belgium was the worst coloniser of the lot, they killed up to 15 million (estimates vary between 12 and 15m) in the Belgian Congo alone!
hands. genitals, etc.
Bad attempt at trivialising history, akin to saying Hitler enforced his personal, private hatred of Jews on Germans. In both cases, neither genocide/holocaust would not have been possible without the complicity of thousands of fellow citizens who also knowingly partook in the horrors.
The only 'private' thing was that that scumbag Leopold pocketed the majority of the wealth, but many other became rich off it.
'Sixty years after Congo gained its independence, the Belgian king has expressed his "deepest regrets" for the suffering his nation caused as a colonial power.'
https://news.sky.com/story/belgiums-bru ... d-12017761
'Because if there were not Congo, Belgium would not be a rich country. Today, Belgium is one of the richest countries in Europe. But people should ask themselves where all this fortune comes from?'
'Imagine if there was a man who slaughtered your family, but he was rich and gave money to the city. Imagine how it would feel if they made a statue of him, and you had to walk past it every day.'
Hitler caused the death of millions, and if you put up a statue of him today, you'd be arrested, and rightly so. But there are still many statues of the Leopold monster in Belgium. Why? 15 million, ffs.
I find it utterly wacky that Vlad has to insult this person by equating him to a famous author and then picking through said author's perceived faults. Not only does it make no sense whatsoever, the person he's trying to insult has about a billion personal foibles that would give about a millenia worth of ammunition to anyone with half a brain.Guest wrote: ↑Sat Jun 11, 2022 1:54 pmspasmeroid wrote: ↑Sat Jun 11, 2022 12:54 pmShow us the tour logos gave you of his basement. Don't forget to mention how much he food cost.Guest wrote: ↑Sat Jun 11, 2022 11:28 am
In vlad’s weird world, as a Belgian you are of course personally responsible for the actions of your country centuries ago. Similar Brits today are responsible for all historical crimes. This is how he thinks.
He of course is a white colonial who benefited from growing up in Rhodesia, where he naturally was educated in a boarding school.
But let’s gloss over that.
I know it's a difficult concept for you to understand, but one can be in a system and disagree with it.
People today are NOT responsible for what their forebears did, but that doesn't mean that should should pretend it didn't happen, and not see the irony. A Belgian or any EU/US citizen whining about refugees. Especially the US, it was founded by refugees, yes?
Sorry to cite facts and logic, I knw the third man hates them. I personally avoid authors accused of paedophilia, but hey, it's a free basement, I mean world.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/naughty ... e-1.244619
;Shelden portrayed Greene as a phoney Catholic, a treacherous husband, a homosexual paedophile, an anti-Semite, a sadist and - in what John Updike termed "some sort of sensationalist low point in literary biography"
Ha. Dear old vlad is getting weirder and weirder.
You never disappoint.
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Not really, considering Rhodesia was an unrecognized state under minority white rule while Zimbabwe is a majority run democracy.sumfink wrote:That's like calling Zimbabwe Rhodesia.
Nobody is trivializing anything, you are making a bad attempt at falsifying history.sumfink wrote:Bad attempt at trivialising history
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congo_Free_StateThe Congo Free State, also known as the Independent State of the Congo (French: État indépendant du Congo), was a large state and absolute monarchy in Central Africa from 1885 to 1908. It was privately owned by and in a personal union with Leopold II of Belgium; it was not a part of, nor did it belong to, the Kingdom of Belgium, of which he was the constitutional monarch.
https://www.britannica.com/place/Congo-Free-StateCongo Free State, French État Indépendant du Congo, former state in Africa that occupied almost all of the Congo River basin, coextensive with the modern Democratic Republic of the Congo. It was created in the 1880s as the private holding of a group of European investors headed by Leopold II, king of the Belgians.
No he didn't. His administrators and the officers of the Force Publique were all European, but only half were Belgian. The Belgian officers in the Force Publique were volunteers detached from the Belgian army. The regular soldiers were mercenaries from Orientale Province, Zanzibar and Hausas from West Africa.Leopold used state resources and personnel to enforce his draconian rule..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_Publique
Hitler is rightly despised by many for his terrible war crimes. Yet there are statues of Genghis Khan, Stalin, Mao and other despots all over the world and barely anyone notices.Hitler caused the death of millions, and if you put up a statue of him today, you'd be arrested, and rightly so. But there are still many statues of the Leopold monster in Belgium. Why? 15 million, ffs.
Romantic Cambodia is dead and gone. It's with McKinley in the grave.
What is the most important issue, self-proclaimed expert?Lucky Lucan wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 3:06 pmHitler is rightly despised by many for his terrible war crimes. Yet there are statues of Genghis Khan, Stalin, Mao and other despots all over the world and barely anyone notices.
That 15 million died or that the incorrect name of the state was used?
Does calling Zimbabwe Rhodesia invalidate justifiable criticisms of either?
What sauce are you on to think that the name of the state is the most important issue here, when we all know what country we're talking about, AND that it was not only Leopold executing millions, as you implied?
Oh, wait, it wasn't Nazi Germany, because Hitler was Austro-Hungarian. let's focus on that, LOL
I see your dwarf leader died, are you sad?
This is precisely the OP's point. Hitler, big story. Leopold, nada. Why? Ukraine, big story. Palestine, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Iraq, not so much. Why?Lucky Lucan wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 3:06 pmHitler is rightly despised by many for his terrible war crimes. Yet there are statues of Genghis Khan, Stalin, Mao and other despots all over the world and barely anyone notices.
Hitler was a European tyrant, and as such, a comparison with Leopold, another European psycho, is pertinent. Khan, Mao and Stalin were Asian.
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It's not just a matter of using the wrong name. They were different states. Do you also conflate Tsarist massacres with those in the USSR? They were all Russians.
And could you please try and make a coherent argument without constantly invoking Godwin's Law?
And could you please try and make a coherent argument without constantly invoking Godwin's Law?
Romantic Cambodia is dead and gone. It's with McKinley in the grave.
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