UK deporting non-whites to Rwanda, keeping Ukrainians
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From the UK government's webpage on the asylum process:
Your claim might not be considered if you:
are from an EU country
travelled to the UK through a ‘safe third country’
have a connection to a safe third country where you could claim asylum
Generally, a safe third country is one that:
you’re not a citizen of
you would not be harmed in
would not send you on to another country where you would be harmed.
The overwhelmingly young, male channel crossers left a "safe third country" when they climbed in the boat. Not a single channel crossers departed from Syria, Afghanistan nor Iraq and came directly to the UK.
The shitty thing about rules is that usually there is a penalty if you break them. Some posters seem to want to reward these men that chose not to follow the process and cowardly left their at much higher risk mother's, wives, sisters and children to languish in refugee camps.
Put the resources where they are needed most and then for the most at risk.
Your claim might not be considered if you:
are from an EU country
travelled to the UK through a ‘safe third country’
have a connection to a safe third country where you could claim asylum
Generally, a safe third country is one that:
you’re not a citizen of
you would not be harmed in
would not send you on to another country where you would be harmed.
The overwhelmingly young, male channel crossers left a "safe third country" when they climbed in the boat. Not a single channel crossers departed from Syria, Afghanistan nor Iraq and came directly to the UK.
The shitty thing about rules is that usually there is a penalty if you break them. Some posters seem to want to reward these men that chose not to follow the process and cowardly left their at much higher risk mother's, wives, sisters and children to languish in refugee camps.
Put the resources where they are needed most and then for the most at risk.
Nobody's disputing the law. However, many people are disputing two things:Anthony's Wiener wrote: ↑Sat Jun 18, 2022 6:40 amFrom the UK government's webpage on the asylum process:
Your claim might not be considered if you:
are from an EU country travelled to the UK through a ‘safe third country’
have a connection to a safe third country where you could claim asylum
Generally, a safe third country is one that:
you’re not a citizen of
you would not be harmed in
would not send you on to another country where you would be harmed.
The overwhelmingly young, male channel crossers left a "safe third country" when they climbed in the boat. Not a single channel crossers departed from Syria, Afghanistan nor Iraq and came directly to the UK.
1. Whether such laws are ethical, reasonable and justifiable
2. The UK was a major player in the original countries of conflict, and as such bears some responsibility towards non-combatants from those countries.
In addition, the clowns that came up with the 'safe country' clause completely ignored the language factors, the fact that some have existing family in the UK, the fact that many of these asylum seekers helped NATO forces, or the fact that it's totally immoral and unethical to return an asylum seeker to a potentially harmful or fatal environment.
Read the first one: The UK abandoned him, then he was executed by the Taliban. Nice touch.
https://metro.co.uk/2015/08/18/afghan-i ... n-5347941/
https://theconversation.com/abandoned-b ... fety-97395
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... eroes.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-21406826
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ons-report
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Whether such laws are ethical, reasonable and justifiable....xinyua wrote: ↑Sat Jun 18, 2022 8:32 amNobody's disputing the law. However, many people are disputing two things:Anthony's Wiener wrote: ↑Sat Jun 18, 2022 6:40 amFrom the UK government's webpage on the asylum process:
Your claim might not be considered if you:
are from an EU country travelled to the UK through a ‘safe third country’
have a connection to a safe third country where you could claim asylum
Generally, a safe third country is one that:
you’re not a citizen of
you would not be harmed in
would not send you on to another country where you would be harmed.
The overwhelmingly young, male channel crossers left a "safe third country" when they climbed in the boat. Not a single channel crossers departed from Syria, Afghanistan nor Iraq and came directly to the UK.
1. Whether such laws are ethical, reasonable and justifiable
2. The UK was a major player in the original countries of conflict, and as such bears some responsibility towards non-combatants from those countries.
In addition, the clowns that came up with the 'safe country' clause completely ignored the language factors, the fact that some have existing family in the UK, the fact that many of these asylum seekers helped NATO forces, or the fact that it's totally immoral and unethical to return an asylum seeker to a potentially harmful or fatal environment.
Read the first one: The UK abandoned him, then he was executed by the Taliban. Nice touch.
https://metro.co.uk/2015/08/18/afghan-i ... n-5347941/
https://theconversation.com/abandoned-b ... fety-97395
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... eroes.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-21406826
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ons-report
Many laws and punishments are in dispute from prostitution to drugs to council approvals for renovations. There is a mechanism to change unethical, unreasonable or unjustified laws, it is the ballot box.
The UK was a major player in the original countries of conflict, and as such bears some responsibility towards non-combatants from those countries....
This may well be true and I believe the most vulnerable, the most at risk deserve to be helped first. Over 2/3 of the worlds refugees are either female or children and yet over 85% of the channel crossers are young males between 18 and 35.
At no time did I suggest the UK does not have a moral, ethical or even " Christian" obligation to help refugees. Of course it is shameful to not help those that have helped you.
Perhaps you are not aware of the many incidents of " kindness" that cost UK lives.
Hani Khalaf, 22 yr old Egyptian failed asylum seeker who murdered a 62 year old man Aug 2016.
Rachid Redouane, Moroccan born failed asylum seeker who participated in the 2017 London Bridge attack that took 12 lives.
Eltiona Skana, failed asylum seeker who killed 7 year old Emily Jones in Bolton, March 2020
Khairi Saadallah, failed Lybian asylum seeker who murdered 3 in Reading, June 2020
Azam Mangori, failed Iraqi asylum seeker who murdered Lorraine Cox, Exeter, Sept 2020
Ahmed Hassan, failed Iraqi asylum seeker who attempted the bombing of District Line tube station Sept 2017
Badreddin Abdella Adam, a Sudanese failed asylum seeker who stabbed 6 in Glasgow, June 2020
Samiulahaq Akbari, failed Afghani asylum seeker who attempted murder 12 days after being released from prison for another assault. Jan, 2019
Hadi Hamid, a revoked refugee status Kuwaiti that killed 2 in a hit and run Oct 2017 and still remains in the UK despite a deportation order when his prison sentence finished.
Karar Ali Karar, a Sudanese asylum seeker who murdered 21 yr old Jodi Miller in Leeds, Feb 2019
I could go on I can assure you but we both know single incidents or anecdotes do not paint a complete picture. What is obvious though none of these criminals are women or children who make up the majority of refugees needing help.
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I have no problems with the UK or any other country deporting violent criminals who have not yet received UK/other citizenship.Anthony's Wiener wrote: ↑Sat Jun 18, 2022 6:25 pmI could go on I can assure you but we both know single incidents or anecdotes do not paint a complete picture. What is obvious though none of these criminals are women or children who make up the majority of refugees needing help.
Can you cite a source showing what percentage of those facing deportation are violent criminals?
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No more than the poster I was replying to can cite the percentage of those being deported have existing family in the UK, or the number of these asylum seekers helped NATO forces.goblinears wrote: ↑Sun Jun 19, 2022 4:37 amI have no problems with the UK or any other country deporting violent criminals who have not yet received UK/other citizenship.Anthony's Wiener wrote: ↑Sat Jun 18, 2022 6:25 pmI could go on I can assure you but we both know single incidents or anecdotes do not paint a complete picture. What is obvious though none of these criminals are women or children who make up the majority of refugees needing help.
Can you cite a source showing what percentage of those facing deportation are violent criminals?
I can tell you 100% of the criminals listed were failed asylum seekers that were in the UK after their asylum was denied.
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There are just over 9,000 foreign national offenders (FNOs) in UK prisons - representing 160 nations of the world - making up about 11% of the total prison population of 82,200 (2019).
About a third were convicted of violent or sexual offences, about a fifth for drug charges, and others for burglary, fraud, robbery and other serious crimes.
There are two foreign national offender-only prisons, one of which is located at Huntercombe - Henley-on-Thames, Oxfordshire. The operational capacity of this prison is about 480.
About a third were convicted of violent or sexual offences, about a fifth for drug charges, and others for burglary, fraud, robbery and other serious crimes.
There are two foreign national offender-only prisons, one of which is located at Huntercombe - Henley-on-Thames, Oxfordshire. The operational capacity of this prison is about 480.
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[quote="Frycek Edzio" post_id=1048057 time=1654971126 Syrian men left their families at home to seek safety overseas and the Ukrainian men are the complete opposite.
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There will undoubtedly be selfish opportunists amongst all the young men leaving Syria.
However, you seem to forget that it's an age-old tradition in many countries that the guy goes overseas in the hope of a better paying job, and if it is achieved money is sent home to his family to give them a better life. With that in mind, such guys would obviously try to get to where they think they can have a better shot at making a decent salary.
Look at all the immigrant construction workers in the Middle East for example. They choose slave-like conditions with close to no hope of any improvements for themselves since in the end, this means they can offer more to their families than had they worked where they originated.
So the mere fact that most individuals coming from Syria are young men, is not by itself an indication that they are all selfish and left their families only to save themselves...
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There will undoubtedly be selfish opportunists amongst all the young men leaving Syria.
However, you seem to forget that it's an age-old tradition in many countries that the guy goes overseas in the hope of a better paying job, and if it is achieved money is sent home to his family to give them a better life. With that in mind, such guys would obviously try to get to where they think they can have a better shot at making a decent salary.
Look at all the immigrant construction workers in the Middle East for example. They choose slave-like conditions with close to no hope of any improvements for themselves since in the end, this means they can offer more to their families than had they worked where they originated.
So the mere fact that most individuals coming from Syria are young men, is not by itself an indication that they are all selfish and left their families only to save themselves...
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And the list goes on...Anthony's Wiener wrote: ↑Sat Jun 18, 2022 6:25 pmPerhaps you are not aware of the many incidents of " kindness" that cost UK lives.
Hani Khalaf, 22 yr old Egyptian failed asylum seeker who murdered a 62 year old man Aug 2016.
Rachid Redouane, Moroccan born failed asylum seeker who participated in the 2017 London Bridge attack that took 12 lives.
Eltiona Skana, failed asylum seeker who killed 7 year old Emily Jones in Bolton, March 2020
Quoting separate instances proves nothing, they are just cheap arguments trying to spread fear amongst the lesser educated and more gullible.
"A guy from Florida robbed a bank." Hence all Floridians should be deported since they are known to be bank robbers - problem solved, our banks are now safe from the vicious Floridians!
Come back once you can base your arguments on recognized statistical sources.
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I keep trying to sponsor a Ukranian, but they are always sending me 65 year olds.
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A new record has been set for the number of migrants crossing the English Channel in a single day.
Almost 1,300 made the crossing on 22 August 2022, in 27 small boats.
Recently I read that 1/3 rd of UK residents will face severe difficulties paying heating bills this winter and of course, it will be those on fixed incomes who suffer most. While granny has to switch to cat food to make ends meet the 1296 new arrivals will not have that worry.
Almost 1,300 made the crossing on 22 August 2022, in 27 small boats.
Recently I read that 1/3 rd of UK residents will face severe difficulties paying heating bills this winter and of course, it will be those on fixed incomes who suffer most. While granny has to switch to cat food to make ends meet the 1296 new arrivals will not have that worry.
Imagine how the locals felt when the Vikings and Normans arrived!Anthony's Wiener wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:12 amA new record has been set for the number of migrants crossing the English Channel in a single day.
Almost 1,300 made the crossing on 22 August 2022, in 27 small boats.
Recently I read that 1/3 rd of UK residents will face severe difficulties paying heating bills this winter and of course, it will be those on fixed incomes who suffer most. While granny has to switch to cat food to make ends meet the 1296 new arrivals will not have that worry.
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Biggus Dickus was there about 800 years prior
Welfare cuts and austerity are killing the disabled in the UK. How can the government even think about taking in more refugees when they can't even take care of their own?
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