Liz Truss
It's a given that the woman is a moron and entirely unsuited for the job. It's also necessary that she fired the Chancellor for enacting the policies she insisted upon, against his own better judgement. It's also clear she has to go imminently.
However, none of this will fix the mess the UK is in. Hunt, for all his fine words today can't fix it. What still not being said by people who matter, is that the vast majority of the blame for the mess the UK is in is down to BREXIT. At some point, the UK populace en masse needs to wake up and accept what a mistake it was.
The only way forward is for a prime minister (and it will have to be Starmer) to put out feelers about closer, more cordial links with EU, with a long term plan to return to the Single Market (I don't say EU because I would expect a good few of the current members of the EU to veto that). How much more damage does the UK economy have to suffer before the English wake up?
However, none of this will fix the mess the UK is in. Hunt, for all his fine words today can't fix it. What still not being said by people who matter, is that the vast majority of the blame for the mess the UK is in is down to BREXIT. At some point, the UK populace en masse needs to wake up and accept what a mistake it was.
The only way forward is for a prime minister (and it will have to be Starmer) to put out feelers about closer, more cordial links with EU, with a long term plan to return to the Single Market (I don't say EU because I would expect a good few of the current members of the EU to veto that). How much more damage does the UK economy have to suffer before the English wake up?
She is completely awful with no redeeming features. This is a woman who recently alienated her own parents by saying she was made to go a state school in Leeds which gave her no opportunities. Not only did she go to a very highly rated school, but she lived in a gorgeous and prosperous part of the city and her father was (and still is) a highly regarded professor at Leeds University.
This is a woman who was a Liberal Democratic just a decade or so ago, speaking at conferences but who saw that in the U.K. electoral system she has to abandon those principles and take on different ones.
This is a woman who has slept her way to the top in the Tory party (google Liz Truss affairs).
If she had intelligence and insight it would be ok. If she had principles it would be ok. But she doesn’t. She is just a vile vile human being.
I doubt that . Which PM in the last 20 years or so had principles?Guest wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:48 pmIf she had intelligence and insight it would be ok. If she had principles it would be ok. But she doesn’t. She is just a vile vile human being.
Which one in your opinion was the least unprincipled?
Gordon Brown perhaps. And also Theresa May, forced to implement a disastrous destructive policy she didn’t agree with.virax wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 6:42 amI doubt that . Which PM in the last 20 years or so had principles?Guest wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:48 pmIf she had intelligence and insight it would be ok. If she had principles it would be ok. But she doesn’t. She is just a vile vile human being.
Which one in your opinion was the least unprincipled?
That's fair. But the answer goes back to my point about Brexit. Most Tory MPs were sensible enough to support Remain. So after the referendum verdict, those Remainers either left or were pushed out. That left swivel-eyed Leavers, and Remainers who were prepared to vacate their principles in pursuit of power. Truss is merely a symptom of a moribund, toxic party.Guest wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 12:13 pmGordon Brown perhaps. And also Theresa May, forced to implement a disastrous destructive policy she didn’t agree with.virax wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 6:42 amI doubt that . Which PM in the last 20 years or so had principles?Guest wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:48 pmIf she had intelligence and insight it would be ok. If she had principles it would be ok. But she doesn’t. She is just a vile vile human being.
Which one in your opinion was the least unprincipled?
guest9 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 1:24 pmThat's fair. But the answer goes back to my point about Brexit. Most Tory MPs were sensible enough to support Remain. So after the referendum verdict, those Remainers either left or were pushed out. That left swivel-eyed Leavers, and Remainers who were prepared to vacate their principles in pursuit of power. Truss is merely a symptom of a moribund, toxic party.Guest wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 12:13 pmGordon Brown perhaps. And also Theresa May, forced to implement a disastrous destructive policy she didn’t agree with.virax wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 6:42 amI doubt that . Which PM in the last 20 years or so had principles?Guest wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:48 pmIf she had intelligence and insight it would be ok. If she had principles it would be ok. But she doesn’t. She is just a vile vile human being.
Which one in your opinion was the least unprincipled?
Totally agree, and that is why the flagship policy of the Conservative Party is the seed of its own destruction.
One of the weirder ideas going on in political circles in the U.K. is that the current debacle is caused by the Remainer elite, working some sort of conspiracy.
I thought it would useful to outline how we engineered that conspiracy:
1: Give Boris Johnson a glorious, unchallengeable 80-seat majority to create a superb, world-beating Brexit.
2. Watch as he slowly realises his only options are catastrophic instant-death Brexit or slow-bleed Brexit.
3. Give him a hand by unleashing a global pandemic so he can disguise the slow-bleed Brexit.
4. But then we tricked him into making a total arse of the response to the pandemic, leading to hundreds of thousands of deaths
5. Manipulate him into breaking his own Covid regulations
6. Turn Tories into creepy sex pests that make Vladimir look whiter than white, and then trick Johnson into repeatedly lying to cover up for them.
7. Hypnotise 13 of his Ministers into resigning in protest over his sex pest lies, forcing Johnson to resign in disgrace.
8. Make 80,000 Tory members replace him with IEA puppet Liz Truss.
9. Convince Truss to hire the worst dregs of the Tory hard right, people who wouldn't be within sniffing distance of controlling a whelk stall without the degrading influence of Brexit.
10. Connive to make Truss invent a disastrous mini-Budget without any vote or consultation.
11. Make centuries of established economic practice convulse over the genius of Truss's mini-Budget, leading to market chaos, collapsing pensions and rocketing mortgages.
12. Cleverly convince Truss to blame it all on her Chancellor (and sack him).
13. Get Truss to hire someone else to do the humiliating U-turns.
14. Having already tricked Truss into hiring the worst Home Secretary in history, get said Home Secretary to start firing out secret documents to all and sundry, leading to her resignation.
15. Make Tories vote (against their wishes) for fracking in their own constituencies, against the wishes of their constituents.
16. Engineer a massive fight about it in the voting lobby.
17. Make the Tory whips resign and unresign while no one is sure who voted and who didn't.
18. Ignite all ingredients for a night of absolute chaos and in-fighting, while Boris Johnson suns himself in the Caribbean, counting his lecture tour cash.
19. Sit back and enjoy.
No one thought we could do it. Too complicated, they said. And we're not finished yet...
I thought it would useful to outline how we engineered that conspiracy:
1: Give Boris Johnson a glorious, unchallengeable 80-seat majority to create a superb, world-beating Brexit.
2. Watch as he slowly realises his only options are catastrophic instant-death Brexit or slow-bleed Brexit.
3. Give him a hand by unleashing a global pandemic so he can disguise the slow-bleed Brexit.
4. But then we tricked him into making a total arse of the response to the pandemic, leading to hundreds of thousands of deaths
5. Manipulate him into breaking his own Covid regulations
6. Turn Tories into creepy sex pests that make Vladimir look whiter than white, and then trick Johnson into repeatedly lying to cover up for them.
7. Hypnotise 13 of his Ministers into resigning in protest over his sex pest lies, forcing Johnson to resign in disgrace.
8. Make 80,000 Tory members replace him with IEA puppet Liz Truss.
9. Convince Truss to hire the worst dregs of the Tory hard right, people who wouldn't be within sniffing distance of controlling a whelk stall without the degrading influence of Brexit.
10. Connive to make Truss invent a disastrous mini-Budget without any vote or consultation.
11. Make centuries of established economic practice convulse over the genius of Truss's mini-Budget, leading to market chaos, collapsing pensions and rocketing mortgages.
12. Cleverly convince Truss to blame it all on her Chancellor (and sack him).
13. Get Truss to hire someone else to do the humiliating U-turns.
14. Having already tricked Truss into hiring the worst Home Secretary in history, get said Home Secretary to start firing out secret documents to all and sundry, leading to her resignation.
15. Make Tories vote (against their wishes) for fracking in their own constituencies, against the wishes of their constituents.
16. Engineer a massive fight about it in the voting lobby.
17. Make the Tory whips resign and unresign while no one is sure who voted and who didn't.
18. Ignite all ingredients for a night of absolute chaos and in-fighting, while Boris Johnson suns himself in the Caribbean, counting his lecture tour cash.
19. Sit back and enjoy.
No one thought we could do it. Too complicated, they said. And we're not finished yet...
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