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Re: Argue about Ukraine/NATO/NWO etc
Putting this here because it has less to do with the War in Ukraine and more to do with Russian politics
Whilst Prigozhin offers some rather sober, and often realistic assessments, he is also no angel.
Is Prigozhin making a play in the Russian domestic political sphere, or are these simply battlefield assessments from a frustrated patriot?
I don't know, so would welcome input from others to broaden my understanding.
Whilst Prigozhin offers some rather sober, and often realistic assessments, he is also no angel.
Is Prigozhin making a play in the Russian domestic political sphere, or are these simply battlefield assessments from a frustrated patriot?
I don't know, so would welcome input from others to broaden my understanding.
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TASS are reporting that Putin has been notified and measures are being taken.
https://t.me/tass_agency/197746
Also from RIA https://t.me/rian_ru/206667
https://t.me/tass_agency/197746
Also from RIA https://t.me/rian_ru/206667
Very brave but perhaps a foolhardy stance from Prigozhin. He might want to defect to Ukraine with his Wagner rabble, imagine that.
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Plenty of wild rumours zipping about Telegram and Twitter. Everything from Ukrainian psyops through to Wagner columns moving on Rostov-on-Don.Dylan Quint wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 4:07 amVery brave but perhaps a foolhardy stance from Prigozhin. He might want to defect to Ukraine with his Wagner rabble, imagine that.
At the very least this will be disruptive for Russian forces.
twitter is blowing up with rumour
Putin tried to take out Wagner with a missile strike,
Wagner chief declared war on Putin.
His troops on the road to Moscow.
Moscow getting ready for an attack.
Cruise missiles currently in air.
Russian military and national guard activated.
Putin rushed to bunker.
Putin tried to take out Wagner with a missile strike,
Wagner chief declared war on Putin.
His troops on the road to Moscow.
Moscow getting ready for an attack.
Cruise missiles currently in air.
Russian military and national guard activated.
Putin rushed to bunker.
Prigozhin cooking something up to be so openly critical of the Kremlin. Zelensky will be relishing this news, if true at all.Prahok wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 5:26 amPlenty of wild rumours zipping about Telegram and Twitter. Everything from Ukrainian psyops through to Wagner columns moving on Rostov-on-Don.Dylan Quint wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 4:07 amVery brave but perhaps a foolhardy stance from Prigozhin. He might want to defect to Ukraine with his Wagner rabble, imagine that.
At the very least this will be disruptive for Russian forces.
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Plenty of footage of FSB units, MOD units and others moving in Rostov-on Don and Moscow, however precious little of any Wagner units which would be odd if there were indeed large movement of said troops. That said, the live CCTV traffic cameras at Rostov-on-Don shut down a few minutes ago.Dylan Quint wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 7:20 amPrigozhin cooking something up to be so openly critical of the Kremlin. Zelensky will be relishing this news, if true at all.
Apparently the Ukrainian 36th Mech & 35th Marines have started pressing hard in Bakhmut and are reportedly taking ground.
History:
Lose Crimean war - regime change
Lose war against Japan - regime change
Fuck up in WW1 - Bolshevik Revolution
Win WW2 - Stalin stays strong
Lose Afghanistan - regime change
About to lose Ukraine - ......
Even Putin sees what's coming. His only hope to survive - con the people by scapegoating the army.
Seems to me Prigozin is under orders to save Putin's ass.
All good for Zelinsky and the sane world.
Now we can start speculating if the US and allies will be asking for their weapons back.
Lose Crimean war - regime change
Lose war against Japan - regime change
Fuck up in WW1 - Bolshevik Revolution
Win WW2 - Stalin stays strong
Lose Afghanistan - regime change
About to lose Ukraine - ......
Even Putin sees what's coming. His only hope to survive - con the people by scapegoating the army.
Seems to me Prigozin is under orders to save Putin's ass.
All good for Zelinsky and the sane world.
Now we can start speculating if the US and allies will be asking for their weapons back.
The way I see it, the endgame here is neither a coup nor taking Moscow. It's more subtle than that, albeit it's destined to fail.
History:
Lose Crimean war - regime change
Lose war against Japan - regime change
**** up in WW1 - Bolshevik Revolution
Win WW2 - Stalin stays strong
Lose Afghanistan - regime change
About to lose Ukraine - ......
Even Putin sees what's coming. The collapse of the Russian front is imminent. His only hope to survive - con the people by scapegoating the army, acting quickly before events on the front cause Putin to lose control.
Seems to me, Prigozin is under orders to save Putin's ass - as I say, it won't work, but then we know Russian planning is disastrous.
All good for Zelinsky and the sane world.
Now we can start speculating if the US and allies will be asking for their weapons back.
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Videos show Wagner have taken over Rostov-on-Don.
Another video appear to show Prigozhin sat with two Russian generals, hinting they have crossed over to Wagner.
All very murky, all very Russian.
Another video appear to show Prigozhin sat with two Russian generals, hinting they have crossed over to Wagner.
All very murky, all very Russian.
Bringing the news. You stay classy, nas, Cambodia.
I've felt for a while that all the Western experts have been engaging in expectation management by insisting the war will drag on into '24 or even '25. Understandable, but wrong. When Wagner pulled out of Bakhmut it left the entire Russian front line to be defended by badly trained, low morale troops. Even without Prigozin's current admission of Russian losses, it was clear the vast majority of properly trained troops were killed or crippled in the Bakhmut meat grinder. What's left reminds me of Argie troops dug in on the Falklands Islands as the Brits disembarked. They were scared kids who couldn't wait to raise their white flags. As soon as the Ukrainians find a pair of weak points and punch through, they'll be able to encircle the Russians, hitting them from behind without worrying about mines. The Russians are fucked - Priogzhin knows it, Putin knows it, Shigogu (?) etc knows it, hence these desperate shenanigans.
I'd be interested to know who gave the green light on this move. Russian army insiders or a global power? China or USA? Or Prigozhin has a very potent supply of drugs.
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