ACE = 21m$/year
ACE = 21m$/year
Does any education institution in Cambodia have higher revenue than ACE?
Yes, but education's not about revenue only (or shouldn't be)
AIS/ISPP/Northbridge/CIS/CIA and even one or two of the less-accredited schools with multiple campuses and high student numbers, I imagine
Multiply $8-15K+ fees ( higher level WASC/CIS/IB accredited schools) by the number of students
ACE fees are quite low
AIS/ISPP/Northbridge/CIS/CIA and even one or two of the less-accredited schools with multiple campuses and high student numbers, I imagine
Multiply $8-15K+ fees ( higher level WASC/CIS/IB accredited schools) by the number of students
ACE fees are quite low
Sure, ACE fees per student are relatively low, but the IDP website says they have over 25,000 students per term at 4 terms per year.
ISPP and Northbridge cost much more per year than the $1,000 (very roughly) that ACE charges, but their student numbers are nowhere close, because their students are full-time, not part-time like ACE.
That said, other schools may well have much higher income, that's why I asked. Still, it is a lot of money spent on private education in a small, poor country!
ISPP and Northbridge cost much more per year than the $1,000 (very roughly) that ACE charges, but their student numbers are nowhere close, because their students are full-time, not part-time like ACE.
That said, other schools may well have much higher income, that's why I asked. Still, it is a lot of money spent on private education in a small, poor country!
Cambodia is not a poor country.Guest9999 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 02, 2022 7:55 amThat said, other schools may well have much higher income, that's why I asked. Still, it is a lot of money spent on private education in a small, poor country!
That was true in the 80s and 90s, perhaps, and NGOs have been very aggressive in maintaining that line - it gets donor money in (so they can employ friends and get tax breaks back home)
The 'dollar a day' slogan has died, imo, I doubt anybody believes it anymore, even the privileged western wealthy probably knew it was over-used after 2000
Put a camping chair down on the side of any road in the CBD and count the cars that cost over $100,000 plus as they Roll by, pretty sure London and New York have a lower % per capita
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Cambodia is still a poor country, but Phnom Penh is not representative of the whole of Cambodia.
Phnom Penh is certainly not a poor city, but go outside the major cities and you’ll see a much lower percentage of Rolls-Royces.
But, of course, this thread is about private schools and they are (mostly) in the city
I'm a big believer in how important it is for a country to have quality, Government supported Education and Health Care. At the same time, I know best quality, in almost every field, is both expensive AND tends to be governed by the 'laws' of diminishing returns. These facts leave me torn.
Since the 90's in Cambodia I've been been both very pleased and quite vexed by what has happened in Cambodia's Healthcare and Education sectors, but, following Mr Smelly's advice to stick to the topic, I'll keep Education as the example.
I'm glad the rich and upper middle class have some good education options. Further, I'm glad some of these schools have been a positive example for a full generation now. (Some of ACE's adult students during UNTAC are now paying tuition for their grandchildren.) Sustained effort for 30 years IS worth something.
Rizla scorns NGO's and donor culture, and there are good reasons to hold a light up to their flaws, but I think public Education in Cambodia would be much worse if NGO's and donors didn't focus on it as they do.
Still, I'd rather see ACE keeping at least 95% of that income IN the country rather than having it support IDP business in other richer countries. ACE, for example, could pay to send some of their teachers to work part-time in a rotating cluster of poor, Government schools on the Phnom Penh periphery. No loser, even for ACE's shareholders.
I read often enough in the press about the AIS founder, and Rizla mentions them first in his post above, is he already spreading the wealth through the above proposed teacher sponsorship, or is he not rich enough? How about other big school owners?
Cambodia's rich fall over themselves every year when it comes time to donate to The Cambodian Red Cross. Shouldn't big private schools compete to give the most to boost the quality of rural education?
Since the 90's in Cambodia I've been been both very pleased and quite vexed by what has happened in Cambodia's Healthcare and Education sectors, but, following Mr Smelly's advice to stick to the topic, I'll keep Education as the example.
I'm glad the rich and upper middle class have some good education options. Further, I'm glad some of these schools have been a positive example for a full generation now. (Some of ACE's adult students during UNTAC are now paying tuition for their grandchildren.) Sustained effort for 30 years IS worth something.
Rizla scorns NGO's and donor culture, and there are good reasons to hold a light up to their flaws, but I think public Education in Cambodia would be much worse if NGO's and donors didn't focus on it as they do.
Still, I'd rather see ACE keeping at least 95% of that income IN the country rather than having it support IDP business in other richer countries. ACE, for example, could pay to send some of their teachers to work part-time in a rotating cluster of poor, Government schools on the Phnom Penh periphery. No loser, even for ACE's shareholders.
I read often enough in the press about the AIS founder, and Rizla mentions them first in his post above, is he already spreading the wealth through the above proposed teacher sponsorship, or is he not rich enough? How about other big school owners?
Cambodia's rich fall over themselves every year when it comes time to donate to The Cambodian Red Cross. Shouldn't big private schools compete to give the most to boost the quality of rural education?
Interesting post but the maintenance of the status quo is the only focused thing here apart from making money and keeping it out of the hands of the many.Guest9999 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 1:03 amI'm a big believer in how important it is for a country to have quality, Government supported Education and Health Care. At the same time, I know best quality, in almost every field, is both expensive AND tends to be governed by the 'laws' of diminishing returns. These facts leave me torn.
Since the 90's in Cambodia I've been been both very pleased and quite vexed by what has happened in Cambodia's Healthcare and Education sectors, but, following Mr Smelly's advice to stick to the topic, I'll keep Education as the example.
I'm glad the rich and upper middle class have some good education options. Further, I'm glad some of these schools have been a positive example for a full generation now. (Some of ACE's adult students during UNTAC are now paying tuition for their grandchildren.) Sustained effort for 30 years IS worth something.
Rizla scorns NGO's and donor culture, and there are good reasons to hold a light up to their flaws, but I think public Education in Cambodia would be much worse if NGO's and donors didn't focus on it as they do.
Still, I'd rather see ACE keeping at least 95% of that income IN the country rather than having it support IDP business in other richer countries. ACE, for example, could pay to send some of their teachers to work part-time in a rotating cluster of poor, Government schools on the Phnom Penh periphery. No loser, even for ACE's shareholders.
I read often enough in the press about the AIS founder, and Rizla mentions them first in his post above, is he already spreading the wealth through the above proposed teacher sponsorship, or is he not rich enough? How about other big school owners?
Cambodia's rich fall over themselves every year when it comes time to donate to The Cambodian Red Cross. Shouldn't big private schools compete to give the most to boost the quality of rural education?
Nothing will change until the government is held accountable in fact and not just word.
Interesting post but the maintenance of the status quo is the only focused thing here apart from making money and keeping it out of the hands of the many.JollyBee wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 10:26 am
Nothing will change until the government is held accountable in fact and not just word.
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How is this different to ANY country you are from or familiar with?
It's an easy target for westerners to call Cambodia corrupt, yet here they are, and the daily shootings and massive corruption continue unabated back home.
Seems to me this place is better managed than a whole host of 'civilized' countries.
How is this different to ANY country you are from or familiar with?Rizla wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 5:30 pmInteresting post but the maintenance of the status quo is the only focused thing here apart from making money and keeping it out of the hands of the many.JollyBee wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 10:26 am
Nothing will change until the government is held accountable in fact and not just word.
It's an easy target for westerners to call Cambodia corrupt, yet here they are, and the daily shootings and massive corruption continue unabated back home.
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There's a big difference between having an election every 4 or 5 years and having one every 4 or 5 years unless it looks like you're going to lose. Unless you consider this desolution (desolation) of the main opposition party with the majority of support an election.
Ok, it doesn't necessarily change things on a massive scale, but it does make sure rampant mafia style monopolists and their Kith and Kin don't hold an iron grip over everything from airlines to baked beans.
There's a big difference between having an election every 4 or 5 years and having one every 4 or 5 years unless it looks like you're going to lose. Unless you consider this desolution (desolation) of the main opposition party with the majority of support an election.JollyBee wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:05 pmHow is this different to ANY country you are from or familiar with?Rizla wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 5:30 pmInteresting post but the maintenance of the status quo is the only focused thing here apart from making money and keeping it out of the hands of the many.JollyBee wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 10:26 am
Nothing will change until the government is held accountable in fact and not just word.
It's an easy target for westerners to call Cambodia corrupt, yet here they are, and the daily shootings and massive corruption continue unabated back home.
Ok, it doesn't necessarily change things on a massive scale, but it does make sure rampant mafia style monopolists and their Kith and Kin don't hold an iron grip over everything from airlines to baked beans.
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While JB might be dangerously close to sounding communist, his views have some merit- I guess.
According to local news this construction worker has saved up $1500, but needs $3000 to marry his sweetheart, so is begging the 'Pagoda Boy', agri-tycoon, tiger keeping *alleged trafficker for a loan.
How many of the rich are from the rice fields themselves, or 1-2 generations at most? There is different mentality for sure, and if this is any better than the class/caste based systems of old, then buggered if I know. Just sayin'.
I personally don't consider any election result progress unless it results in a positive outlook for the country.JollyBee wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:05 pmThere's a big difference between having an election every 4 or 5 years and having one every 4 or 5 years unless it looks like you're going to lose. Unless you consider this desolution (desolation) of the main opposition party with the majority of support an election.
By this standard, the UK, US, France, and several other 'democratic' nations fail miserably.
Cambodia had 3% economic growth in 2021, at a time when many economies contracted.
We're looking at 5.3% for 2022 and 6.5% in 2023.
Education is improving, remember it has been rebuilt from scratch, without resources or teachers, a situation very few countries in history have ever faced.
My bugbear is the healthcare system (if one can call it that), but even some aspects of that are amazing, Cambodia's COVID vaccination program was truly fantastic.
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Let’s be real, the state education system is pathetic. Have you been in a rural government school?mixandmatch wrote: ↑Thu Jun 09, 2022 4:13 amEducation is improving, remember it has been rebuilt from scratch, without resources or teachers, a situation very few countries in history have ever faced.JollyBee wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:05 pmThere's a big difference between having an election every 4 or 5 years and having one every 4 or 5 years unless it looks like you're going to lose. Unless you consider this desolution (desolation) of the main opposition party with the majority of support an election.
Private education is approaching adequate but this requires big money to avail of.
The war finished more than 30 years ago, it should be better than this by now.
Cambodian teachers, doctors and nurses, in general, have much higher skills than 30 years ago, and there are many more of them. While education and healthcare service quality is (far) lower than we might wish, and certainly not equitably distributed, the improvement is clear and easy to see.
The problem, in both healthcare and education, is how the Public/Private sectors, have evolved to interact. Public services are willfully sabotaged to increase income from private services. Everyone knows this, we all saw it evolving, and the genie won't be going back into the bottle.
Individuals needed to supplement meagre income, so all let it slide, but as public income rose, there was no easy way to tell/force them to stop. At the level of individual practitioners who work in both the public and private spheres, it is bad enough. but when a school or clinic owner is also in higher level state services it is more insidious still.
That brings me back to an earlier point, the most successful institutions in the Private realm, those with more than sufficient cash and not worried about diluting their elite brand, really should give back to the Public realm.
(I don't want to praise ACE too much, they can afford to do much more, but their facilitation of the yearly teacher conference, CAMTESOL, is an example of something that increases their status and tries to raise all boats. Clap, clap clap. Could Phnom Penh's biggest private hospitals do something similar? Launch an annual Tropical Infectious Disease Health Symposium, with MOH on the same page of course. [Teachers are poor, so doing it in PP makes most sense. Khmer doctors and health scientists (if they exist yet?) are more rich, I think they should hold it in Siem Reap. USA, France, China, and the EU would compete to fund it.] Good idea?)
The problem, in both healthcare and education, is how the Public/Private sectors, have evolved to interact. Public services are willfully sabotaged to increase income from private services. Everyone knows this, we all saw it evolving, and the genie won't be going back into the bottle.
Individuals needed to supplement meagre income, so all let it slide, but as public income rose, there was no easy way to tell/force them to stop. At the level of individual practitioners who work in both the public and private spheres, it is bad enough. but when a school or clinic owner is also in higher level state services it is more insidious still.
That brings me back to an earlier point, the most successful institutions in the Private realm, those with more than sufficient cash and not worried about diluting their elite brand, really should give back to the Public realm.
(I don't want to praise ACE too much, they can afford to do much more, but their facilitation of the yearly teacher conference, CAMTESOL, is an example of something that increases their status and tries to raise all boats. Clap, clap clap. Could Phnom Penh's biggest private hospitals do something similar? Launch an annual Tropical Infectious Disease Health Symposium, with MOH on the same page of course. [Teachers are poor, so doing it in PP makes most sense. Khmer doctors and health scientists (if they exist yet?) are more rich, I think they should hold it in Siem Reap. USA, France, China, and the EU would compete to fund it.] Good idea?)
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