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Genuine question, as I don't really follow UK politics any more as don't spend any time there.
Has Brexit really been the disaster the Anti- Brexiteers said it was going to be, pre-Brexit?
Things largely went on regardless no?
If you believed the anti Brexits you'd think the arse was gonna fall out of the world after Brexit.
I get the impression the biggest bane of the British public right now, might actually be immigration combined with over population, and subsequent crime rates?
Has Brexit really been the disaster the Anti- Brexiteers said it was going to be, pre-Brexit?
Things largely went on regardless no?
If you believed the anti Brexits you'd think the arse was gonna fall out of the world after Brexit.
I get the impression the biggest bane of the British public right now, might actually be immigration combined with over population, and subsequent crime rates?
It takes two Bongs to tango.
Yesterday morning, before the announcement, the government told people to stock up on canned food and bottled water. Why do you think the UK is running out of food?
I call my mum weekly, and over the years she's been my UK bellwether. Used to argue with her over Brexit - no arguments now.
Dude's thrown in the towel.
I call my mum weekly, and over the years she's been my UK bellwether. Used to argue with her over Brexit - no arguments now.
Dude's thrown in the towel.
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Food shortages look like a European/global problem, and my family in the UK haven't mentioned they are stocking up on canned food for the bunker in the garden.guest9 wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 7:40 pmYesterday morning, before the announcement, the government told people to stock up on canned food and bottled water. Why do you think the UK is running out of food?
I call my mum weekly, and over the years she's been my UK bellwether. Used to argue with her over Brexit - no arguments now.
Dude's thrown in the towel.
Ukraine is one of the biggest grain producers in the world.
I could imagine the EU making life less than easy with regards to food imports into the UK though.
It takes two Bongs to tango.
The population rate fluctuates, but is now lower than in the early 1970s. The birth rate is falling now at 1.75(the magic number is 2.1-2.4). Those pesky immigrants will be needed sooner, rather than later.spitthedog wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 7:34 pmGenuine question, as I don't really follow UK politics any more as don't spend any time there.
Has Brexit really been the disaster the Anti- Brexiteers said it was going to be, pre-Brexit?
Things largely went on regardless no?
If you believed the anti Brexits you'd think the arse was gonna fall out of the world after Brexit.
I get the impression the biggest bane of the British public right now, might actually be immigration combined with over population, and subsequent crime rates?
I think the biggest issue is housing and the private landlord sector buying up properties to rent. 30(ish) million homes for <70m people should be enough to go around, but shady investment funds, greedy pricks, 2nd/3rd home owners, and 'passive income' HMO/AirBnB arseholes have created a 'shortage' and pushed up prices.
There are more private landlords than teachers in the UK right now, gone are the council house days, along with the possibility for most to own a home (unless you have another to use as collateral) and the Englishman's home is his castle idea- now wait until the landlord decides he can knock the house up into 22 'studios' and increase his 'portfolio' income 10 fold.
“As soon as the land of any country has all become private property, the landlords, like all other men, love to reap where they never sowed and demand a rent even for its natural produce.” -Adam Smith
On the other side of the spectrum
"The landlords, like all other men, love to reap where they never sowed, and demand a rent even for the natural produce of the earth." - Karl Marx
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Growth rate aside, the UK population is still up around 20% since 1970.pedros wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 8:23 pmThe population rate fluctuates, but is now lower than in the early 1970s. The birth rate is falling now at 1.75(the magic number is 2.1-2.4). Those pesky immigrants will be needed sooner, rather than later.spitthedog wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 7:34 pmGenuine question, as I don't really follow UK politics any more as don't spend any time there.
Has Brexit really been the disaster the Anti- Brexiteers said it was going to be, pre-Brexit?
Things largely went on regardless no?
If you believed the anti Brexits you'd think the arse was gonna fall out of the world after Brexit.
I get the impression the biggest bane of the British public right now, might actually be immigration combined with over population, and subsequent crime rates?
I think the biggest issue is housing and the private landlord sector buying up properties to rent. 30(ish) million homes for <70m people should be enough to go around, but shady investment funds, greedy pricks, 2nd/3rd home owners, and 'passive income' HMO/AirBnB arseholes have created a 'shortage' and pushed up prices.
There are more private landlords than teachers in the UK right now, gone are the council house days, along with the possibility for most to own a home (unless you have another to use as collateral) and the Englishman's home is his castle idea- now wait until the landlord decides he can knock the house up into 22 'studios' and increase his 'portfolio' income 10 fold.
“As soon as the land of any country has all become private property, the landlords, like all other men, love to reap where they never sowed and demand a rent even for its natural produce.” -Adam Smith
On the other side of the spectrum
"The landlords, like all other men, love to reap where they never sowed, and demand a rent even for the natural produce of the earth." - Karl Marx
The UK is just a tiny island, relatively speaking.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/281 ... opulation/
Housing is a massive issue in Ireland where there are very few apartment blocks outside of the biggest cities.
My question is not really about about my views (if any) on immigration to the UK, but more about whether a large population of the UK has possibly done a complete reversal on their views of Brexit (without obviously admitting it)?
Take for example the Prime Ministers talk of sending certain Immigrants to Rwanda.
How does that kind of discussion even gain traction without public pressure?
Would the thought even have entered the Number 10 heads, pre- Brexit?
Would it have been deemed racist?
It takes two Bongs to tango.
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Quote ;
"Michael Ashcroft's election day poll of 12,369 voters also discovered that 'One third (33%) [of leave voters] said the main reason was that leaving "offered the best chance for the UK to regain control over immigration and its own borders."'
2024 ;
"Dissatisfaction with government on immigration at highest level since 2015
CULTURE
69% of the public say they are dissatisfied and just 9% satisfied with the way government is dealing with immigration according to the latest round of our immigration tracker with British Future"
https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/immigration ... march-2024
"Michael Ashcroft's election day poll of 12,369 voters also discovered that 'One third (33%) [of leave voters] said the main reason was that leaving "offered the best chance for the UK to regain control over immigration and its own borders."'
2024 ;
"Dissatisfaction with government on immigration at highest level since 2015
CULTURE
69% of the public say they are dissatisfied and just 9% satisfied with the way government is dealing with immigration according to the latest round of our immigration tracker with British Future"
https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/immigration ... march-2024
It takes two Bongs to tango.
Populism and the rise of loonies on all sides of the spectrum, from the trannies are womens lot to the British Indian migrants trying to send latter day migrants in the post to darkest Africa.spitthedog wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 8:43 pmGrowth rate aside, the UK population is still up around 20% since 1970.pedros wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 8:23 pmThe population rate fluctuates, but is now lower than in the early 1970s. The birth rate is falling now at 1.75(the magic number is 2.1-2.4). Those pesky immigrants will be needed sooner, rather than later.spitthedog wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 7:34 pmGenuine question, as I don't really follow UK politics any more as don't spend any time there.
Has Brexit really been the disaster the Anti- Brexiteers said it was going to be, pre-Brexit?
Things largely went on regardless no?
If you believed the anti Brexits you'd think the arse was gonna fall out of the world after Brexit.
I get the impression the biggest bane of the British public right now, might actually be immigration combined with over population, and subsequent crime rates?
I think the biggest issue is housing and the private landlord sector buying up properties to rent. 30(ish) million homes for <70m people should be enough to go around, but shady investment funds, greedy pricks, 2nd/3rd home owners, and 'passive income' HMO/AirBnB arseholes have created a 'shortage' and pushed up prices.
There are more private landlords than teachers in the UK right now, gone are the council house days, along with the possibility for most to own a home (unless you have another to use as collateral) and the Englishman's home is his castle idea- now wait until the landlord decides he can knock the house up into 22 'studios' and increase his 'portfolio' income 10 fold.
“As soon as the land of any country has all become private property, the landlords, like all other men, love to reap where they never sowed and demand a rent even for its natural produce.” -Adam Smith
On the other side of the spectrum
"The landlords, like all other men, love to reap where they never sowed, and demand a rent even for the natural produce of the earth." - Karl Marx
The UK is just a tiny island, relatively speaking.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/281 ... opulation/
Housing is a massive issue in Ireland where there are very few apartment blocks outside of the biggest cities.
My question is not really about about my views (if any) on immigration to the UK, but more about whether a large population of the UK has possibly done a complete reversal on their views of Brexit (without obviously admitting it)?
Take for example the Prime Ministers talk of sending certain Immigrants to Rwanda.
How does that kind of discussion even gain traction without public pressure?
Would the thought even have entered the Number 10 heads, pre- Brexit?
Would it have been deemed racist?
The place has just gone mad, and any level-headed politician and bureaucrat left the building after the Brexit shambles, opening the door to the asylum.
Cameron was an idiot, but a known idiot, yet he gambled, lost and left the door wide open for the nutters- Farage, Cummins, Boris, Truss and Rees-Mogg, the other side got Corbyn.
Hopefully Starmer, as a boring twat who actually has experience in the drudgery of political and legal life, might pull things back down to grey, but I somehow doubt it.
"I wasn't just racists who voted to leave Europe. Cunts did as well"- Stewart Lee
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pedros is totally on the ball there.
The Tories failed to read the room on asylum. They saw the racists supporting ReformUK and decided to chase their votes. The sensible middle are not racists and think the Rwanda policy is extreme and doesn't address the problem, so the Tories have lost them. The racists will vote ReformUk anyway. What's worse is Sunak put all the Tories' eggs in that basket - it's the only policy they've been pushing for months. If the electorate are turned off that, you've got a government that isn't doing anything and doesn't stand for anything. Their only message is, "Trust us, we'll fix what we've spent the last 14 years fucking up".
The Tories failed to read the room on asylum. They saw the racists supporting ReformUK and decided to chase their votes. The sensible middle are not racists and think the Rwanda policy is extreme and doesn't address the problem, so the Tories have lost them. The racists will vote ReformUk anyway. What's worse is Sunak put all the Tories' eggs in that basket - it's the only policy they've been pushing for months. If the electorate are turned off that, you've got a government that isn't doing anything and doesn't stand for anything. Their only message is, "Trust us, we'll fix what we've spent the last 14 years fucking up".
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Pedros,
Adam Smith, the father of modern economics, explained that the best economic benefit for all can usually be accomplished when individuals act in their own self-interest...
The Fed stepped in to stop U.S Bond yields dropping off a cliff just before and after the March Brexit.
People with alot of money tied up in stocks and bonds are likely not worried about Brexit implications on them as they once were.
The "racists" didn't really effect their portfolio in the long run.
They might even have a different or wider view now, than what they had then?
Imagine the amount of money and lobbying that was against Brexit.
It's amazing it ever happened, looking back.
Adam Smith, the father of modern economics, explained that the best economic benefit for all can usually be accomplished when individuals act in their own self-interest...
The Fed stepped in to stop U.S Bond yields dropping off a cliff just before and after the March Brexit.
People with alot of money tied up in stocks and bonds are likely not worried about Brexit implications on them as they once were.
The "racists" didn't really effect their portfolio in the long run.
They might even have a different or wider view now, than what they had then?
Imagine the amount of money and lobbying that was against Brexit.
It's amazing it ever happened, looking back.
It takes two Bongs to tango.
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The left-eye swivels are out in force here Starmer couldn’t run a bath he is personality and charisma free,at least Boris Johnson had enough about him to win an 80 seat majority…pedros wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 9:13 pmPopulism and the rise of loonies on all sides of the spectrum, from the trannies are womens lot to the British Indian migrants trying to send latter day migrants in the post to darkest Africa.spitthedog wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 8:43 pmGrowth rate aside, the UK population is still up around 20% since 1970.pedros wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 8:23 pmThe population rate fluctuates, but is now lower than in the early 1970s. The birth rate is falling now at 1.75(the magic number is 2.1-2.4). Those pesky immigrants will be needed sooner, rather than later.spitthedog wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 7:34 pmGenuine question, as I don't really follow UK politics any more as don't spend any time there.
Has Brexit really been the disaster the Anti- Brexiteers said it was going to be, pre-Brexit?
Things largely went on regardless no?
If you believed the anti Brexits you'd think the arse was gonna fall out of the world after Brexit.
I get the impression the biggest bane of the British public right now, might actually be immigration combined with over population, and subsequent crime rates?
I think the biggest issue is housing and the private landlord sector buying up properties to rent. 30(ish) million homes for <70m people should be enough to go around, but shady investment funds, greedy pricks, 2nd/3rd home owners, and 'passive income' HMO/AirBnB arseholes have created a 'shortage' and pushed up prices.
There are more private landlords than teachers in the UK right now, gone are the council house days, along with the possibility for most to own a home (unless you have another to use as collateral) and the Englishman's home is his castle idea- now wait until the landlord decides he can knock the house up into 22 'studios' and increase his 'portfolio' income 10 fold.
“As soon as the land of any country has all become private property, the landlords, like all other men, love to reap where they never sowed and demand a rent even for its natural produce.” -Adam Smith
On the other side of the spectrum
"The landlords, like all other men, love to reap where they never sowed, and demand a rent even for the natural produce of the earth." - Karl Marx
The UK is just a tiny island, relatively speaking.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/281 ... opulation/
Housing is a massive issue in Ireland where there are very few apartment blocks outside of the biggest cities.
My question is not really about about my views (if any) on immigration to the UK, but more about whether a large population of the UK has possibly done a complete reversal on their views of Brexit (without obviously admitting it)?
Take for example the Prime Ministers talk of sending certain Immigrants to Rwanda.
How does that kind of discussion even gain traction without public pressure?
Would the thought even have entered the Number 10 heads, pre- Brexit?
Would it have been deemed racist?
The place has just gone mad, and any level-headed politician and bureaucrat left the building after the Brexit shambles, opening the door to the asylum.
Cameron was an idiot, but a known idiot, yet he gambled, lost and left the door wide open for the nutters- Farage, Cummins, Boris, Truss and Rees-Mogg, the other side got Corbyn.
Hopefully Starmer, as a boring twat who actually has experience in the drudgery of political and legal life, might pull things back down to grey, but I somehow doubt it.
"I wasn't just racists who voted to leave Europe. Cunts did as well"- Stewart Lee
Then again there’s always Jeremy “Steptoe” Corbyn are you a fan of his also?
Whether it is science or technology or wages it really does appear as if America is leaving the UK behind in the dust. I think there is much more dynamism in American culture. The UK is in many ways rigid and bigoted and their refusal to change repels human capital.
The very clever strategy of the US to let the British Empire take two massive hits before joining in both World Wars at the 11th hour is simply playing out. The decline of Great Britain is simply down to economics, the usurping of the British Pound as the world reserve currency, etc. There is not a single party in the UK that can do anything about the inevitable fall to whence the UK was 1,000 years ago - pretty much nowhere. And it isn't like the UK can pop around the world building a new empire.
Perhaps the UK should back Elon Musk all the way to Mars and claim it as British before anyone else can do anything about it. Otherwise Brits need to buckle up for a very rocky ride, or emigrate - as all the smart ones have!
Perhaps the UK should back Elon Musk all the way to Mars and claim it as British before anyone else can do anything about it. Otherwise Brits need to buckle up for a very rocky ride, or emigrate - as all the smart ones have!
Meum est propositum in taberna mori,
ut sint Guinness proxima morientis ori.
tunc cantabunt letius angelorum chori:
"Sit Deus propitius huic potatori."
ut sint Guinness proxima morientis ori.
tunc cantabunt letius angelorum chori:
"Sit Deus propitius huic potatori."
Nine hundred years ago England produced high quality wool and that was about it. The country does have some advantages like it's strategic location. It could be viable and competitive in the 21st century but not when they make stupid decisions like alienating their largest trade partner.
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