That was one of the big issues Sihanouk's regime faced in the 1960s. They vastly expanded the education system and trained huge numbers of students for jobs that didn't exist. This is still a major issue.merchantsmutual wrote:From talking to a lot of young university educated Cambodians, their situation reminds me a bit of the U.S. where you can get the degrees and be very smart but the opportunities may not be there yet. You still see people with engineering or quant degrees sitting on the sidelines, so to speak, just like in the U.S. where very good people go to waste. I am not sure what can or will be done.
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Romantic Cambodia is dead and gone. It's with McKinley in the grave.
In my view, the "education" system (any western based system, meaning the Prussian education model) has become extremely bloated with people who think getting a degree makes you smart, in the same way that joining a basketball team makes you tall.
Way too many people going to school for money and not for the love of the field they're studying. Look at here, business to science enrollment in uni here I'll bet is thousands to one.
I suppose it's no suprise that the happiest most successful people I know are uneducated and "stupid".
Way too many people going to school for money and not for the love of the field they're studying. Look at here, business to science enrollment in uni here I'll bet is thousands to one.
I suppose it's no suprise that the happiest most successful people I know are uneducated and "stupid".
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I read somewhere that Vietnam increased the % of homes with reliable electricity from 50% to 90% in just ten years, an amazing achievement.
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I heard they sent their biggest electricity consumers out on flimsy sampans to flounder and drown in the South China Sea first? Nobody ever dared to complain about unreliable electricity supplies since.vladimir wrote:I read somewhere that Vietnam increased the % of homes with reliable electricity from 50% to 90% in just ten years, an amazing achievement.
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I wonder what the stats are for Cambodia? There are a few areas of Phnom Penh that still experience frequent outages. Siem Reap, Sinville, it's worse.
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Hey, what do you think Cambodia would look like today if the Khmer Rouge's agrarian utopia really gained traction and took off then? Like, just without the murdering, genocide, hate people with glasses completely bonkers stuff.
Agriculture wise Cambodia looks like a dust bowl compared to Vietnam.
Agriculture wise Cambodia looks like a dust bowl compared to Vietnam.
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The west has an issue of graduates who are educated but don't know how to apply their skills into a work environment.Lucky Lucan wrote:That was one of the big issues Sihanouk's regime faced in the 1960s. They vastly expanded the education system and trained huge numbers of students for jobs that didn't exist. This is still a major issue.merchantsmutual wrote:From talking to a lot of young university educated Cambodians, their situation reminds me a bit of the U.S. where you can get the degrees and be very smart but the opportunities may not be there yet. You still see people with engineering or quant degrees sitting on the sidelines, so to speak, just like in the U.S. where very good people go to waste. I am not sure what can or will be done.
Cambodia has the issue of graduates who aren't educated (but think they are by virtue of having a certificate) who have no idea how to apply their skills into a work environment.
I prefer to employ smart non graduates who are a lot more humble and much easier to train. University graduates (generally) in Cambodia think they deserve a big salary and are reluctant to receive advice and training.
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Some of the MBA degrees I have seen are not worth the paper they are written on.....ផោមក្លិនស្អុយ wrote:Cambodia has the issue of graduates who aren't educated (but think they are by virtue of having a certificate) who have no idea how to apply their skills into a work environment.
I prefer to employ smart non graduates who are a lot more humble and much easier to train. University graduates (generally) in Cambodia think they deserve a big salary and are reluctant to receive advice and training.
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Even in 1995 I was surprised how every shack had electricity. A far cry from Kenya at the time, where electricity was only available in some places (and even in those places, multi-day power cuts were the norm).Lucky Lucan wrote:I heard they sent their biggest electricity consumers out on flimsy sampans to flounder and drown in the South China Sea first? Nobody ever dared to complain about unreliable electricity supplies since.vladimir wrote:I read somewhere that Vietnam increased the % of homes with reliable electricity from 50% to 90% in just ten years, an amazing achievement.
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I agree about some of the courses here but not having any further education myself (left Skool at 15yo) I can't really comment. However although some courses are questionable it at least gets brains working.Hanno wrote:Some of the MBA degrees I have seen are not worth the paper they are written on.....ផោមក្លិនស្អុយ wrote:Cambodia has the issue of graduates who aren't educated (but think they are by virtue of having a certificate) who have no idea how to apply their skills into a work environment.
I prefer to employ smart non graduates who are a lot more humble and much easier to train. University graduates (generally) in Cambodia think they deserve a big salary and are reluctant to receive advice and training.
There's more overseas universities opening up in Cambodia so hopefully it'll make a difference.
My wife is in her third year of a banking and finance management BA and whilst she seems to enjoy the curriculum her friends don't - they just like the social aide of things. In fact I asked her why she seems to do all the work and she replied that's because her friends don't understand. When pushed about what happens exam time she just said they'd fail and do another year.
Things are changing with regards to attitudes towards education here but very slowly. The only reason my wife started her course was because of her grandma who encouraged her to start (and financed it before popped up), she lost 10 kids to the KR, as she is still from that era before the genocide.
My wife wants to do an MA. Fine by me!
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I'd ask the question, 'why?'YaTingPom wrote:I agree about some of the courses here but not having any further education myself (left Skool at 15yo) I can't really comment. However although some courses are questionable it at least gets brains working.Hanno wrote:Some of the MBA degrees I have seen are not worth the paper they are written on.....ផោមក្លិនស្អុយ wrote:Cambodia has the issue of graduates who aren't educated (but think they are by virtue of having a certificate) who have no idea how to apply their skills into a work environment.
I prefer to employ smart non graduates who are a lot more humble and much easier to train. University graduates (generally) in Cambodia think they deserve a big salary and are reluctant to receive advice and training.
There's more overseas universities opening up in Cambodia so hopefully it'll make a difference.
My wife is in her third year of a banking and finance management BA and whilst she seems to enjoy the curriculum her friends don't - they just like the social aide of things. In fact I asked her why she seems to do all the work and she replied that's because her friends don't understand. When pushed about what happens exam time she just said they'd fail and do another year.
Things are changing with regards to attitudes towards education here but very slowly. The only reason my wife started her course was because of her grandma who encouraged her to start (and financed it before popped up), she lost 10 kids to the KR, as she is still from that era before the genocide.
My wife wants to do an MA. Fine by me!
After the course what will she do? I know one girl almost finished a similar degree with Vanda and she knows little about accountancy, bookkeeping or financial reporting.
Many of these courses are complete fluff and do not prepare students well for future work.
You wouldn't believe a some of the things which happen in the classroom. Significant marks are given for attendance, coursework (like translating a chapter of a textbook to Khmer), and doing presentations (copied from online). So if you attend and participate you will pass. Also much of he syllabus is created by the teacher and is his/her opinion. Even if the teacher is wrong, the student needs to follow his opinion during the exam time. Creative thought is not encouraged - just repeat parrot fashion the random facts and you'll be grand.
Cheating is still pandemic.
RUPP has a partnership with the Korean embassy which allows x number of Korean students to enrol and study with them. Most of these Korean student speak very limited Khmer - very, very basic. But pass the degree course. Go figure.
Generally speaking, university degrees here are an exercise in ego and not in academia.
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Several years ago I inherited a Sales Manager in a new job I had started, early 30s, experienced and a local MBA as well.Hanno wrote:Some of the MBA degrees I have seen are not worth the paper they are written on.....ផោមក្លិនស្អុយ wrote:Cambodia has the issue of graduates who aren't educated (but think they are by virtue of having a certificate) who have no idea how to apply their skills into a work environment.
I prefer to employ smart non graduates who are a lot more humble and much easier to train. University graduates (generally) in Cambodia think they deserve a big salary and are reluctant to receive advice and training.
Over the course of the first month of him working for me I had to explain to difference between Revenue and Profit to him half a dozen times, he just could not understand what I was talking about.
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I was at a meeting about 6 months back with several members of two different government ministries and they kept using the Khmer words for income and profit interchangeably. I interrupted twice for clarification to ask which one they were referring to. Blank looks all round.Playboy wrote:Several years ago I inherited a Sales Manager in a new job I had started, early 30s, experienced and a local MBA as well.Hanno wrote:Some of the MBA degrees I have seen are not worth the paper they are written on.....ផោមក្លិនស្អុយ wrote:Cambodia has the issue of graduates who aren't educated (but think they are by virtue of having a certificate) who have no idea how to apply their skills into a work environment.
I prefer to employ smart non graduates who are a lot more humble and much easier to train. University graduates (generally) in Cambodia think they deserve a big salary and are reluctant to receive advice and training.
Over the course of the first month of him working for me I had to explain to difference between Revenue and Profit to him half a dozen times, he just could not understand what I was talking about.
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One plank (the guy with good English) helpfully translated for me, with a condescending smile, thinking I couldn't understand - 'this word is profit and this word is income - both mean same'.
This was a meeting of senior folk, many of them 3rd level educated.
I never went back to any more meetings.
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Ah, but then Khmer business owners don't pay taxes or garbage disposal, milk the staff and get the utilities for free. It all makes sense.
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