Marriage in Cambodia
Many hundreds (thousands?) of ethnic Khmers have no doubt tied the knot outside Cambodia, say in France, Australia, USA, even, in the 80's & early 90's, in border Camps just inside Thailand, are they too all legally single as soon as they touch down in the Kingdom of Wonder?
Does anyone know of any other countries where tourists, long married outside the country become legally single as soon as they arrive?
I'm sure some might see this as a Feature, not a Flaw. Perhaps The Ministry of Tourism should start up some advertising campaigns promoting the fact. Anyone have some suggested story lines?
Does anyone know of any other countries where tourists, long married outside the country become legally single as soon as they arrive?
I'm sure some might see this as a Feature, not a Flaw. Perhaps The Ministry of Tourism should start up some advertising campaigns promoting the fact. Anyone have some suggested story lines?
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It’s obvious why you are a “Beheaded” Frenchman I’m only sorry that I wasn’t the one given the honour of separating your head from its pathetic,cheese eating surrender monkey body!Beheaded Frenchman wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 10:38 pmDon’t be too harsh, Chroy Changvarite was probably busy conducting lecherous activities with his neighbor’s cattle when those fishy events unfolded.
And yes I am Aikidoka so modern day Samurai,nothing would give me greater pleasure!
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You realise that the same can be said for a traditional marriage which has no legal value in Cambodia,Thailand or Bali to name a few places,the latter you can ask Mick Jagger for confirmation of I suggest not broaching it with Jerry Hall!Guest9999 wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 11:17 pmMany hundreds (thousands?) of ethnic Khmers have no doubt tied the knot outside Cambodia, say in France, Australia, USA, even, in the 80's & early 90's, in border Camps just inside Thailand, are they too all legally single as soon as they touch down in the Kingdom of Wonder?
Does anyone know of any other countries where tourists, long married outside the country become legally single as soon as they arrive?
I'm sure some might see this as a Feature, not a Flaw. Perhaps The Ministry of Tourism should start up some advertising campaigns promoting the fact. Anyone have some suggested story lines?
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It doesn’t really matter to them though. They can live together without being ‘Khmer married’.Guest9999 wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2024 11:17 pmMany hundreds (thousands?) of ethnic Khmers have no doubt tied the knot outside Cambodia, say in France, Australia, USA, even, in the 80's & early 90's, in border Camps just inside Thailand, are they too all legally single as soon as they touch down in the Kingdom of Wonder?
Does anyone know of any other countries where tourists, long married outside the country become legally single as soon as they arrive?
I'm sure some might see this as a Feature, not a Flaw. Perhaps The Ministry of Tourism should start up some advertising campaigns promoting the fact. Anyone have some suggested story lines?
Unlike foreigners, they don’t need marriage cert to run a visa, own land etc.
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Well, I'm not really wanting to lie on official documents or anywhere else. The truth is we're married - to each other!
When I said to my wife that the advice was to go directly to the MoFAIC 'for advice and information' her first reaction was they'll see a barang and want money!
We'll have a copy of our marriage certificate with us, which is in English. See what happens.
When I said to my wife that the advice was to go directly to the MoFAIC 'for advice and information' her first reaction was they'll see a barang and want money!
We'll have a copy of our marriage certificate with us, which is in English. See what happens.
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Check out the Facebook page married2cambodia there have been a few people who have successfully done what you want to do. Albeit with loads of difficulties.Bill Shakey wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 7:22 amWell, I'm not really wanting to lie on official documents or anywhere else. The truth is we're married - to each other!
When I said to my wife that the advice was to go directly to the MoFAIC 'for advice and information' her first reaction was they'll see a barang and want money!
We'll have a copy of our marriage certificate with us, which is in English. See what happens.
Maybe you can learn from their experiences.
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I'm, getting fed up with these forums (fora). Responses go unposted - seemlingly selectively so. The responses provided are great, really helpful, those that I see. There's a few responders who're massively helpful with heaps of very useful information everyone needs, should they ask for. And then there's the platform. What is with that?
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Sometimes it happens that I craft a wonderful response then submit and I get an error message. If I click ‘back’ on the browser often the message is still there, if I submit again it normally is successful. If I click ‘back’ and it isn’t there then I take that as cosmic intervention and obviously my wonderful post is not necessary for the development of mankind. So I never type it out again…Bill Shakey wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 9:33 amI'm, getting fed up with these forums (fora). Responses go unposted - seemlingly selectively so. The responses provided are great, really helpful, those that I see. There's a few responders who're massively helpful with heaps of very useful information everyone needs, should they ask for. And then there's the platform. What is with that?
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Dittoផោមក្លិនស្អុយ wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 10:00 amSometimes it happens that I craft a wonderful response then submit and I get an error message. If I click ‘back’ on the browser often the message is still there, if I submit again it normally is successful. If I click ‘back’ and it isn’t there then I take that as cosmic intervention and obviously my wonderful post is not necessary for the development of mankind. So I never type it out again…Bill Shakey wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 9:33 amI'm, getting fed up with these forums (fora). Responses go unposted - seemlingly selectively so. The responses provided are great, really helpful, those that I see. There's a few responders who're massively helpful with heaps of very useful information everyone needs, should they ask for. And then there's the platform. What is with that?
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(Sorry Bill Shakey for talking around your need, not to it. Your situation is relevant to me too.)
Smelly said,
"It doesn’t really matter to them though. They can live together without being ‘Khmer married’.
Unlike foreigners, they don’t need marriage cert to run a visa, own land etc."
Those foreign Khmers that become unmarried while in Cambodia can buy land, but as single people, with none of the protections Cambodian divorce law offers. From personal experience when I was legally married to a Cambodian, those protections (on my earlier soft title purchases) were significant: half each land title purchased with income earned while together, and full ownership of titles purchased with $ I could prove I earned before marriage. I couldn't ever own the land itself, of course, but under the divorce law and our agreement we had months to transfer property.
Chroy Changvarite, as regards to the Traditional Marriage/ Legal Marriage contrast you are correct, but being "only" Traditionally Married, as far as I know, does not stop you from becoming Legally married. For most, legal marriage is just taking it one more step. And in a similar to Bill Sharkey case, IF he had been only Traditionally, NOT Legally married, I assume his Embassy would be happy enough, especially once being told the situation, to declare him legally single and thus able to marry. So Traditional marriage here, and being legally married outside Cambodia are dissimilar in important ways.
I think eventually the Cambodian Government will have to recognize foreign marriages. But, it might be a long time coming. Many wealthy Khmer men are happy enough to have degrees of marriage, a prime, legal, Cambodian wife, and a handful of lessor wives. I suppose those legal wives too, aren't rushing to legitimize lower wives and lower children.
Smelly said,
"It doesn’t really matter to them though. They can live together without being ‘Khmer married’.
Unlike foreigners, they don’t need marriage cert to run a visa, own land etc."
Those foreign Khmers that become unmarried while in Cambodia can buy land, but as single people, with none of the protections Cambodian divorce law offers. From personal experience when I was legally married to a Cambodian, those protections (on my earlier soft title purchases) were significant: half each land title purchased with income earned while together, and full ownership of titles purchased with $ I could prove I earned before marriage. I couldn't ever own the land itself, of course, but under the divorce law and our agreement we had months to transfer property.
Chroy Changvarite, as regards to the Traditional Marriage/ Legal Marriage contrast you are correct, but being "only" Traditionally Married, as far as I know, does not stop you from becoming Legally married. For most, legal marriage is just taking it one more step. And in a similar to Bill Sharkey case, IF he had been only Traditionally, NOT Legally married, I assume his Embassy would be happy enough, especially once being told the situation, to declare him legally single and thus able to marry. So Traditional marriage here, and being legally married outside Cambodia are dissimilar in important ways.
I think eventually the Cambodian Government will have to recognize foreign marriages. But, it might be a long time coming. Many wealthy Khmer men are happy enough to have degrees of marriage, a prime, legal, Cambodian wife, and a handful of lessor wives. I suppose those legal wives too, aren't rushing to legitimize lower wives and lower children.
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My wife took our paperwork to the district office and got our marriage paperwork sorted out.I don;t really know how much she paid but she is Khemer and knows how to barter with local officials and will not pay one riel more than she thinks that is fair so I doubt if it was expensive as I did not hear any complaints about it.We have been married for 28 years so she is well experienced in dealing with local officials.She and I have had a joint bank account for many years and I would know if a sizable chunk came out and ask about it.She and I always let each other know if we are going to spend a large amount of money so that we can manage our account.So I am sure that getting our marriage paperwork sorted out was not a hassle or large expense.Her father was the village headman and her uncle is the governor so she knows who to contact if she has a problem with the local officials.When ever I get involved with dealing with government officials she always tries to head me off as I tend to lose my temper.particularly when I encounter a smug jerk who demands more than what I am willing to part with.
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You live abroad, right? I guess also married abroad.oldfatbarang wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2024 9:41 pmMy wife took our paperwork to the district office and got our marriage paperwork sorted out.I don;t really know how much she paid but she is Khemer and knows how to barter with local officials and will not pay one riel more than she thinks that is fair so I doubt if it was expensive as I did not hear any complaints about it.We have been married for 28 years so she is well experienced in dealing with local officials.She and I have had a joint bank account for many years and I would know if a sizable chunk came out and ask about it.She and I always let each other know if we are going to spend a large amount of money so that we can manage our account.So I am sure that getting our marriage paperwork sorted out was not a hassle or large expense.Her father was the village headman and her uncle is the governor so she knows who to contact if she has a problem with the local officials.When ever I get involved with dealing with government officials she always tries to head me off as I tend to lose my temper.particularly when I encounter a smug jerk who demands more than what I am willing to part with.
I guess you probably don’t know if your marriage is properly registered in Cambodia. It isn’t just a matter of going to district office. You will need documents from MOI and MoFA also. Having a dad who was a village chief won’t be much help in getting those.
But if you are living abroad and have no intentions to return then it prob doesn’t really matter to you.
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